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    that would be the portable electric fence tape systems that a lot of horse people use. I had one. Gave it to my friend when I retired my horse and didn't need it any more. They run off batteries or solar. And the zap is unpleasant - like being flicked with a finger. Not as bad as being flicked with a wet towel.

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    Hi there,
    yes my dog is in the house when ever we are home they have there beds in the lounge room so we sit and watch tv and they are on there beds and get cuddles when we call them over. so they have alot of interation with us "wehn we are home" but the problem is when we are out and that is all week as we work mon-sat 7am i leave and get home at 5pm and if we ever go out on weekends in the evening for dinner. which makes it hard coz i never want to go out for fear of coming home to a disaster.

    we have a run down the side of the house which has a paddling pool, toys, kennels, we give them bones and treats in there. but the bigger dog harley has decided to start jumping the fence between the run and the rest of the yard and the little dog (sandy the digger) follows him and thats when the trouble begins. I have left the big dog (harely) in the main yard and sandy in the run but now i am being told that will create seperation anxiety and nott o do it (even though it was working).

    I can't let her off lead as she bolts so can't do fetch at park (she isn't interetsed in fetch at all anyway) but we do go for walks and i find it wears her out more as it is self controlled by her but by me so even if she titred she has too keep walking.
    I have tried training and doing tricks but she just can't get them she knows sit, drop, stay(for a very short period), ok (for when we walk she has to sit and wait at roads), i am trying to teach her to not react to other dogs when on lead and it is very stressful for myself and her i have done what i ahve been taught by 2 trainers (one suggested food rewards which are useless as she has no interest in food when on lead) the other is this company with a distraction and a comand to get her attention back on me (i tried it with some ppl walking past which she was reacting to and she did look back at me and i praised her but once i said something she just put all her attention back ont he people and ignored me)

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    ok well i would love to try the group obidience i was trying to get her into doggu day care a few days a week where they do obidience traing but i am having a problem!
    i Live in Perth (i know most of you guys are east) and no doggy day care will take in a staffy (say they are to vicious) and i have called 4 group obidience class places and have been told they do not accept staffy's so i am stuck!!!

    does anyone know a place that takes staffy's in perth? preferably south of river but doesn't have to be

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    WTF?! Dog obedience classes who won't accept staffies?! That is just insane! I am lost for words...

    From your description, I think the obedience classes would help you more than just having some expensive trainer telling you what you should be doing. It's much more hands on and the interaction with other dogs (in a controlled environment) and dog owners will benefit you both, I think.

    What about the RSPCA? It would surprise me if they had any restrictions on who can attend their classes? And I like their training methods, though it will depend a lot on the individual trainer of course. Ours also has a course called 'Recall clinic'. If there is one thing I absolutely want to have 100% down pat, it is recall. Because it means I can exercise my dog off leash and also keep her safe in unexpected situations, eg if she were to run out of the gate and onto the road.

    With the training to stop your dog reacting to people or dogs, you really have to keep the treats coming. I do it with my dog, because she has this strong urge to go jump all over total strangers. I first succesfully used it to prevent her from going up to small kids. And now I'm doing with everyone we meet on our walks. I say "Who's that?" or "Look at that" and give her a treat if she looks at the person and then looks back at me. And then repeat this BEFORE she has the time to get overexited. Timing is really important, but once you get the hang of it it is easy and effective. When I start this routine Banjo always looks annoyed as if she seems to realise what I am doing. But the treats win over her urge to do what she wants. Mind you, that is also because I have done lots of training with treats. The more training you do, the more they will want to please you, I found.

    Maybe do some reading about clicker training too. That's what I did with my dog when I got her 6 months ago. It completely changed the way I thought about dog training. Now I rarely use the clicker anymore, except when I want to teach her a new trick (which I don't do often enough). But it really, really helped me get my head round the whole idea of how to train a dog without the frustration I experienced when I tried to train my old dog with old-school methods.

    Good luck!

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    Some boarding kennels don't put SBT out in exercise yards with other dogs once they are over about 9 months of age. It is a precaution, not because we think every SBT will fight with other dogs but if there is an altercation many SBT will do damage to other dogs whether they started it or not is not the issue when managing large amounts of dogs.

    Doggy Day Care may have something similar but I can't think of a single obedience club where dogs are on a lead that would apply the same rule.

    Dogs require a lot of patience, they have short attention spans and training needs to be done in short bursts and often.

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    Have you checked this? Dog Training

    They do their training at different venues. I know our RSPCA courses are quite expensive compared to the obedience club ones, but it will still be better value for money than the commercial trainers, I reckon.

    And I wanted to add, I had my old dog for 10 years and gave up on trying to train her out of some bad habits. Now I am training another dog with different methods, I really regret that. I wish I could turn back time and I would not give up on her now. Reward based training is so very forgiving. You can keep trying and keep starting over.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sandyharley View Post
    ok well i would love to try the group obidience i was trying to get her into doggu day care a few days a week where they do obidience traing but i am having a problem!
    i Live in Perth (i know most of you guys are east) and no doggy day care will take in a staffy (say they are to vicious) and i have called 4 group obidience class places and have been told they do not accept staffy's so i am stuck!!!

    does anyone know a place that takes staffy's in perth? preferably south of river but doesn't have to be
    That is a bit off and rugged...I cannot imagine telling someone that they cannot bring a "breed". I do ask people what Breed they have, because it does tell me what i can expect. But we never refuse and yes we prefer some to others. But i also prefer some Handlers to others and that has nothing to do with Breed. That is sad and unproductive and they should be ashamed.

    Now question.......When you are all inside, do you make the dogs behave calm and make them settle. Sometimes if you give them lots of attention all the time when you are home they feel "lost" when you are not there. It is just a question I ask everyone.

    We make our own dogs settle inside.......on the mat or place and we really do not give them that much attention when we are all inside. The praise and reward they get when they have done something, be it a good sit/drop/stay. Often when they are lying quietly, i will walk up and say good quiet or good stay. We do a lot of training in the house, so they do get attention. But mostly they are lying around asleep.

    It is a way of making your dog less needy of your company. Some people like their dogs to be needy, but that affects the times you are not there. Ask the dog to stay in another room for a short period. And bring them in and put them on a place. all those things will help your dog cope better alone, without the people.

    That is why we play in the sandpit and encourage it....But it is not allowed anywhere else.

    Also making a really dog proof dog yard can be very valuable in these instances. We do not use ours very often, but it is perfect for unruly visitors or bitches in season. I am sure if you ask there will be many ideas on good dog yards....here is ours with Lukey in it. The shed attached is insulated and the tree makes it cooler in Summer. The wire at the top bend inwards. So far no dogs have escaped and we have had some unruly visitors



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    Your dogs are ecaping the run - so like Newfsie said - it needs a lid and maybe a floor and to be escape proof.

    If something was working - why did you listen to somebody else about the sep anxiety. If the dogs are not yelling their heads off all day, what is the problem?

    If you can't let your dog off lead - you need to work on recall training - eg Lesley Nelson's Really Reliable Recall DVD is a good start. You begin at home with really yummy treats and then gradually up the distractions eg back yard, front yard, a fenced space somewhere that's not home - eg there are two fenced public tennis courts down the end of my street that are great for this.

    You do lots of fun recall games with your dog before you go near a park where the distractions for a dog are MASSIVE. If you test your recall - call once but never repeat, if the dog doesn't come - go get it. Or you break the recall word and your dog's name - they lose their meaning to the dog.

    My dog isn't very big on fetch either but she does come when I call her - unless buried chicken is involved - but we're working on that one.

    Will your dog take food on lead in your back yard? Front yard? Your street out the front? The end of the street? At what point does she lose interest in food? Is it the same when the food is roast chicken or liver treats or kibble?

    My dog won't take food when she's stressed, anxious or really excited. So she will take food in the back yard and the streets nearest my home and the park but not the busy street inbetween. And she won't take food if there is a sheep there. Or a Llama. But we have gotten to the point where she will take food when the neighbour's cat is there. Or the magpies.

    It's not an all or nothing process. You can build up when and where your dog will take food and use the refusal of it as a guide to your dog's level of excitement or stress - ie too excited to think or learn. And you can work on expanding that limit so you have more control more of the time.

    If you can only walk your dog on lead - it works the dog more if you require self control from your dog, not the same as your dog controlling the walk. Ie if you insist on your dog staying next to you or just in front (if the footpath is narrow) and not sniffing every pee spot along the way - that is much more tiring for a dog than doing whatever it wants along the way. And it would be less frustrating for you not to be stopping every two seconds for a doggy sniff.

    I think with the trick training and the distraction training - you give up too easily. Do you expect a 2 YO child to learn the whole alphabet when you flash a card at it? No? I hope not. You can't expect a dog to learn what you want in one try. I wouldn't be able to do that. I like at least three tries. A super dog that has been learning tricks all its life would need at least 5 tries and to get 4 of them right.

    A staffy who has never had to learn to deal with frustration or has no impulse control - would take 25 tries or more - and you would have to break that down into a max of five tries at a time. And start by rewarding every different thing the dog does - to encourage it to try.

    If you block your dog's view of the distraction - and get her attention - and then you give the dog the choice of keeping her attention on you - or looking at the distraction again - you repeat. You persist, keep trying. She's not going to get it the first time. Or the second or third. For me and my dog - with the cats - it's taken every walk we happen to see one for years. It's an ongoing thing. She now can hold a sit and look at the cat calmly, even accept a treat, instead of lunging to the end of the lead and being backflipped (if she sees the cat before I do).

    Is the doggy day care thing - something where you leave the dog there and they train it or something where you're supposed to go too and learn how to train the dog? If you're not learning how to train your dog and your dog is not learning to listen to you, it's pointless. What is the point of having a dog that does everything the doggy day care person says, and nothing you say?

    There are loads of SBT at my dog club. There are even some dog aggressive dogs there - none are SBT. Even so, if your SBT is likely to have a go at other dogs or people it does make group obedience classes difficult. But if you're willing to have her wear a muzzle - and work at a distance and come early to class - most clubs (not Doggy day care establishments) would be willing to have a go at helping you.

    Dogs West - Best of Friends
    click on the clubs link on the menu on the left.
    do a find on "obedience"
    It seems the SBT club of WA doesn't offer training but you could ask as not everything is on the website.

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    I was reading everyone's posts and I have one question (not sure if anyone else has asked it). The toys you give your dogs, do they have these toys all day evry day or are they rotated so it's something new each time.

    Your dogs do need mental stimulation when you are not home and toys are great for this, but if they are the same toy every day then it is no longer new and interesting for the dog.
    You should also try leaving your dogs outside with these toys when you are home and wait to see how long it takes them to get bored of these and start digging.

    Looking forward to your response about the toys.
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