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    Quote Originally Posted by Beloz View Post
    I think the key is just to charge both, separately.

    If you always reward when you use either, the pup will get it. And yes, there'd be some fluctuations in how you say the marker word, but in a training situation they'd most likely only be subtle changes and dogs are smart enough to cope with that. Just like a dog learns to react to commands even when they are said with different intonation.

    But as mentioned before, it may be better to use the clicker exclusively if you're just starting out. That definitely worked for us. Now I usually use my voice only but I rarely use food rewards anymore for the everyday type of behaviours - just praise. If I do a training session to teach/enforce new behaviours, I still use the clicker sometimes and always use rewards.
    Pretty much what i do.i charge each one and use them both all the time, so to them it is just the same.

    I do not reward everytime for the clicker, because a lot of my training now is at distance. the clicker is like a battery, if you use it too often without a reward it goes "flat"......It re-charges really quickly by doing some work with click/reward and then you have a few click where there is no reward. hence my dogs look, always hoping i might toss something
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    On our first trip to the dog beach this summer I tried calling my dog in the same fashion that works on the farm.
    I knew he could not hear me - I could barely hear myself above the wind and the waves.
    After five minutes or so I found a higher pitch that carried - so I use that tone all the time wherever we are.

    I have never had a clicker but can do decently loud clicks with my tongue which is fortunately installed in my head.
    The click sound catches his attention and then he waits for the instruction whatever it may be.
    I doubt I could tongue click loudly enough in a beach scenario, I will have to stick with Snoopy-Booooo and the puppy jump!

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    I was talking about this today at work with our behaviour specialist and she said she uses clicker training as opposed to word marking because your word marker always needs to be the same tone and if you have a cold or you are in a bad mood the way you say your marker word will change and dogs are so sensitive that they will pick up on it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ClareBear View Post
    I was talking about this today at work with our behaviour specialist and she said she uses clicker training as opposed to word marking because your word marker always needs to be the same tone and if you have a cold or you are in a bad mood the way you say your marker word will change and dogs are so sensitive that they will pick up on it.
    I have not found that, because sometimes when they do something really well I may say an exited "yesss" and if I am not so exited only a soft one. And there seems to be no difference when I have a cold or if my hubby does it as he trains our dogs too. My dogs still seem to get it. However when we work with clickers in a work-shop/seminar, the dogs seem to know which is their clicker, they can tell the difference when they are working in groups.
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    I'm going to clicker train our puppy when I find the right one

    but the OH can't stand the sound of the clicker and I want him to participate in training games like "come" where you have the two of us and the pup in the middle on a long line and we each take turns in saying the que "come" and C&T when the pup dose Come (after the pup learns it in one on one train sections with me of course)
    so want to know If you think I could click and he could have a marker word or would that confuse the pup

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    I don't find a great deal of difference in how I say yes ONCE they have the association. So anybody within the family who has charged the clicker gets responded to.

    I'm not a big fan of a dog switching on when the treat bag goes on for obedience, however as I now mainly show I like the association, getting a dog to stand four square pushing into it's front with a bright expression while my hand hovers on the treat pouch is great and then yes and reward the minute you like what you want. For many show dogs the sound of the velcro flap being opened on the treat bag is the equivalent of yes or click, so any sound can be used.

    The only word I don't like is 'good' as we throw it out there too much.

    I also don't always reward the same, sometimes it's a pat and not a treat.

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    I also hate "good"....Not sure why, it just does not have the same feel

    My dogs do not associate a treat pouch so much anymore....Since i have started hiding goodies in unexpected places, they have no idea when they just get a click with praise or a treat appear out of some magic place.

    I am sure Katy has the "how did you do that'' look. She can be totally surprised and amazed as to where and when her treats come. I always have some dry -Black Hawk- in nearly every pocket, post, corner etc. so the dogs have no association. And sometimes I train for ages with no food reward, just praise and I will just amaze them with a sudden jackpot. I find this makes them look less for food.
    The only time Katy gets food all the time is when she does the luring Demo's. that is why she loves doing Demo's
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shedeivl View Post
    I'm going to clicker train our puppy when I find the right one

    but the OH can't stand the sound of the clicker and I want him to participate in training games like "come" where you have the two of us and the pup in the middle on a long line and we each take turns in saying the que "come" and C&T when the pup dose Come (after the pup learns it in one on one train sections with me of course)
    so want to know If you think I could click and he could have a marker word or would that confuse the pup
    I love the sound of the clicker because my dog loves it... I think it might be better for both of you to just use the clicker to start with. And then he can change to using a verbal marker when you have gotten into a routine and everyone - including pup - is totally comfortable with the whole process. But that's just my opinion. I'm sure most dogs are clever enough to understand context. However, I found it helped me a lot to simplify the whole process as much as possible and to stick to the routine quite rigidly at first. Once you're making progress, you can become a lot more flexible...

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    Years ago when I was training my parents' bulldog, we used the clicker. It worked well, and he picked it up really quickly.

    Flynn starts obedience in February, and I emailed the club to see whether they used clickers (so I knew what to use while we're doing it at home before we start). She said they use voice markers, so I've been using "Yes", but I find it hard to get used to after using the clicker. Practice will hopefully make perfect!

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    I forgot to say, I find voice markers get annoying a lot sooner than the clicker sound does too. When you hear yourself say Yes! or Yay! every few seconds when you are doing an extended training session (something like Look at that with high distractions for example) it gets boring rather quickly.

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