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    Quote Originally Posted by ClareBear View Post
    I am keen to do agility with Gypsy but as she is stupidly timid and rolls over and wees herself if growled out (she was severly abused before I rescued her) I don't think (nor does my trainer) that she would cope with the 'militant' style of competition obidence.
    Chevelle however thrived when we were doing obidence (before I got Gypsy) and would like to do CD with her.
    What do you mean by militant, are you referring to the actual exercises (eg. heelwork) or use of force in training? I spend lots of time trying to make the exercises fun for my dog (in the case of the dumbbell retrieve, that took nearly a year, but now her eyes light up when it comes out of my bag!). Her tail wags while we are in the ring

    I have never used force or discipline for obedience exercises... my girl shuts down completely if I so much as tell her "no", so she doesn't even get that Some timid dogs do have issues with the Stand For Exam or perhaps the stimulating environment but the ones I know who are competing generally do very well and it helps build their confidence a lot Agility is also a great confidence builder.

    The worst that happens to my dog is that if she decides she doesn't want to work with me (pretty rare) she might get a no reward marker ("oops") and we try again. Or I might release her and ignore her for 10 seconds... which is technically an aversive as she hates it but it's better than rousing on her

    Sorry, bit of a life story there

    Just wanted to add, I do agree that competition obedience is not for everyone I don't compete with my older dog because to be honest he would prefer to be lying on the soft bed at home. So that's what he does!
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    Obidence training at the club Chev went through was very firm. No food rewards only praise if they didnt do what the were told first time you forced them to do it. The trainer would yell. Chev was great though and she never needed to be reminded so she loved it. Gypsy on the other hand slinks away if you just tell her to get on her bed. Two very different personalities that take to training in to very different ways. Gypsy is going to agility at a different club that is all based on positive reinforcement.
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    Hi Gemmie

    I'm not sure I will delay for state championship - since they held them in July last year. But they have state champs at each level - so if I start now and get Novice before July - then I can't compete in Novice State champs.

    Also there are a bunch of club and state titles - for the most qualifying rounds or titles in one year. Or something like that. So if I start now - I've only got a month or so to get more titles than other people who have been competing all year.

    I haven't read up on all the rules - but I figure if I wait - then I have the opportunity to get some of these things but if I don't then I have no chance - like buying a ticket in the lottery. You can't win without buying a ticket... So the equivalent - is - not starting a 12 month competition with only a couple of months left to compete. Ie that's like buying a scratchie in a pool where all the major prizes are already gone.

    All the Finnish Lapphunds I've met are very much their own creatures - not sure they'd be all that interested in obedience or agility. I could be wrong. But I've not yet met one that will do what it's told at all. And while they seem to like food, if you don't give it to them, they're not bothered enough to work for it. They are gorgeous and friendly dogs though.

    Wuffles - I've seen some of those odd agility calls too - I think that's why SG uses the nose touch method - ie to make it really obvious to the judge that her dog has the contact. I did sort of get her to admit that occasionally judges get it wrong and that nose touch is more obvious and given the nature of it, if the dog is too excited to get it right - it usually gets a good enough stop that the judge will make the right call. Despite all that she is investigating doing "running contacts" too. I guess as more comps get video'd - calls like that can be verified.

    It's funny about the traps in courses - Frosty is way better at getting those right than I am. And then I will be so surprised I stuff up the easy stuff for her. We had one judge set a mock course for novice where a jump and a tunnel entrance were next to each other tho not one after the other in the course sequence. TRAP or what, and Frosty got that bit right. We stuffed up elsewhere.

    And one judge who set a jump course that was really easy for both of us - and I told him that and how challenging the other one was - the next one of his courses - was like the other judge's course - ie traps everywhere. And we butchered that one - cos I forgot where we were going. And we got distracted by the steward who is one of Frosty's favourite people. Sigh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyacinth View Post
    All the Finnish Lapphunds I've met are very much their own creatures - not sure they'd be all that interested in obedience or agility. I could be wrong. But I've not yet met one that will do what it's told at all. And while they seem to like food, if you don't give it to them, they're not bothered enough to work for it. They are gorgeous and friendly dogs though.
    I know a number of lappies with obedience titles.

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    Hi Smeagle

    This is good to know - that they can be trained. It's up to the owners same as usual I guess.

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    Clare its great you have a dog for each activity... I know the girls will love it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyacinth View Post
    Hi Smeagle

    This is good to know - that they can be trained. It's up to the owners same as usual I guess.
    Of course they can be trained, any dog can be trained! Out of all the spitz breeds I'd say lappies are one of the best for dog sports - just do your research as some lines are more laid back than others.

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    I love Obedience and do it with all our dogs. And we make it great fun for them. It is my nerves at actual Trial time that are more of an issue LOL.....If I like the Judge we do really well, if it one of the sour guys I just get awkward. And we love agility, but i just use it to get control on my dogs and have fun, because we will never be winners with the newfies, unless they have a giant section. But that aside, if you like training, there is now Rally O. Which will be official as from the 1st of January and Competitions will start. We are having our first Rally O Trial in July if the Dogs NSW people permit.
    I am the Rally O co-ordinator here at our Club and at present the book is almost the same as the Canadian rules, with just some adjustments. I have been to some practice and a really good 2 day Seminar by an ex Canadian Judge. She lives in Myrtleford and is a good teacher.
    You are encouraged to talk to your dog in Rally and even marked down if you do not. It is so much fun and most of you should love it.
    The Tassie lot have a good description, see attached

    What is Rally-O | Tasmanian Dog Training Club

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    We have been practising a bit of Rally O at Gypsy's school and would love to compete in it with both Chev and Gypsy. It comes into affect in Jan over here too but there are no qualified WA judges for it yet and the judging course isnt until March. At least we have a while to train!
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    I haven't done serious obedience in some years but have titled a few dogs.

    With each dog I got a bit better, I guess learning how to cultivate things like retrieve as a puppy made things easier.

    My first trialing dog got her CD but didn't like to retrieve, the next pup I got her CDX, so did the next one till finally the daughter of my first CDX got her UD title.

    We went to agility weekly but never competing seriously after a nasty accident with a jump ruptured a patella tendon I was always a bit cautious. The last three dogs also got their breed championships.

    This was all prior to family and I lived and breathed dogs, still do to a degree.

    I agree stewarding does give you a good insight and helps calm nerves for when your day in the ring arrives. My other tip I learned the hard way was not to over train just before going in the ring, as chances are your dog will be over it when your number is called.

    They didn't have the CCD back then but I think this is a great idea. But we did lots of mock trials for practice.

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