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    I have been open that I do smack my littlies when it is warranted, which is very rarely but it happens. I have also said that Ruby has copped a bum smack a few times.

    I also have had to force her to the ground on her belly to get her to calm down before when she was going through he crazy " I want to eat every dog in sight stage"

    Point is for me to think its going over the top most of the time means its going over the top.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AngelanBatty View Post
    The training is not generalised with PP dogs because if they accept commands from everyone they'd be a pretty useless PP dog wouldn't they?? In saying that the introduction phase is a long one and at that point the dog knew that it had to mind that handler - this is what the point is. Dogs are far more adaptable than people think. I have high expectations of my dog and of the dogs that belong to my housemates. They haven't let me down yet. I'm also the only person in the house who can ask all of the dogs to sit, drop or be quiet etc and they will immediately. No treats, no toys, just for me to praise them. That is WITHOUT me retraining them or generalising any training at all.

    Batty's training has been very highly generalised. He will still manipulate people to get out of what he has been told to do. I've seen it time and time again. The last PR only trainer around him wound up nearly in tears because he would not respond to her at all.



    So you've seen the way it's dealt with then? I was appalled the first time I did. I nearly fainted truth be told. Then it was explained to me what they were doing and why, how it worked and why it worked. But the challenge from the dog to the handler never happened again. Again, I did see a crappy trainer, but I saw nothing I would class as abuse.

    Possibly yes, possibly no. I certainly wouldn't be saying that until I'd met the dog in question. Clickers can and do fail, even with correct training and charging. He demonstrated his method quite clearly.



    It wouldn't necessarily, but if the dog is that fearful, worried or stressed then yes it can. It can happen with 8 week old puppies or 10 year old adult dogs.

    I don't know what you mean by a good hit. My perception and yours are clearly different, so I'm not giving an opinion on that.

    Yes they do forgive - not all though. It's also not usually an 'easy' thing for a truly abused dog to forgive. Nerves come into it. There are a lot of people I doubt would know how to handle a completely stable, drivey dog, in fact I'm sure the dog would have the handler obeying commands in no time at all....
    Yes I can take peoples dogs and get them to do things even their usual handlers cannot do, it comes down to experience and confidence (and the fact that I don't have an emotional connection to the dog) as well as the ability of the dog to do what it is being asked and understand.

    Praise is still a reward, doesn't need to be treats or toys.

    I would love to meet Batty now

    Nope I haven't seen how the handle/deal with it, but I still wouldn't want a handler to get bitten. In the end the fact that the dog wants to bite in the first place is concerning.

    Yes I agree dogs of any age can challenge/bite a handler, what I was saying is that it depends all on the dog and its history, circumstances etc.

    Sorry when I said a good hit I meant closed fist punch. I was scared of this dog for mostly this reason (he hit it instead of properly training it).

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    They lift the dog off the ground by the leash/collar and hold it up until it stops fighting the handler. Then they put it back onto the ground, and give the command again.

    Batty is definitely a fun dog to train. He doesn't show the usual reactions to most things, and tends to perplex a lot of experienced dog people. I use a large combination of things in his training as well.

    I think your own expectations do come into it too. If you expect the dog to play up then 9 times out of 10 they will. If you expect good behavior and are firm about it then they will almost always behave.

    MWD's are trained to bite etc, to be confident and make some of their own decisions at the same time as working with and for their handlers. They are tough, driven, very stable and phenomenal. They are not for the faint of heart. They are put through situations that would cause most pet dogs to literally crap themselves and they don't bat an eye at it all.

    They challenge their handlers both physically & mentally if given the chance. The handlers that are soft about it tend to ruin the dogs for work.

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    Have not read many replies.

    I believe in all positive training, and that is how my dog has been and is being trained.

    I would not allow somebody to train my dog like that guy has. I would flip my shit if somebody jerked on Lacey's neck like that.

    I believe some older school methods can be legit ways of training, if carried out by professionals and in moderation. For example, police dog type situations. I don't believe in people trying it out at home because they saw it on Youtube.

    I however would not touch any old school methods with a... something really long and big.

    That dog was not going into a drop at the end of the video anyway, that dog was fooling around and lying on her back.

    I believe with clicker training etc you can get more accurate results.

    Also that guy has a stupid face.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brittany View Post
    Also that guy has a stupid face.


    I bet he smells too.

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    And has food caught in his facial hair.

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    best way i have found to teach lay or drop is get a treat put it on the floor and cover it with your hand, the dog realises it needs to get down low and lays down....when it lays or drops say your command word for drop. My dogs now know lay and if my palm is facing the ground that they have to lay. Works really quickly for the dogs i have trained!

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    I don't see any problem with this guys methods.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LukeDG View Post
    best way i have found to teach lay or drop is get a treat put it on the floor and cover it with your hand, the dog realises it needs to get down low and lays down....when it lays or drops say your command word for drop. My dogs now know lay and if my palm is facing the ground that they have to lay. Works really quickly for the dogs i have trained!
    I used luring to teach my dog. Hold the treat in front of their nose and then very slowly move it down and away from them. It's all in the speed. If you do it too fast, they'll step forward, but if you do it slowly, they'll just naturally lie down.

    My dog now knows the command but we haven't practiced enough so it can still take up to a minute before she finally does it! And she'll still try to trick me by putting one leg forward as if she's going to lie down and then quickly sitting up again and looking at me expectantly.

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    I would prefer to have a dog who follows commands out of respect and obedience rather than for a treat.

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