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    He nearly rips her friggen head off then gives her a pat on the head while talking shit to the camera.. She at one point was cowering behind him trying to get away.

    I didnt see through this whole video that dog becoming ANY closer to dropping even thou he was being more and more forceful everytime.
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    Yeah ok.... I watched the whole thing through 3 times before commenting and didn't see anything like that. But hey, you know best right?

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    Just to add The start when he was pulling the dog to the ground I have seen before. It wasnt until he was yanking at the lead while the dog is wearing a choker that I had a problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LukeDG View Post
    the reward is a very excited sounding good dog etc, plus a game of tug of war for sitting, laying, staying etc. It looks rough when they are training/being trained but they are training to do a VERY rough job. The dog enjoys training in bite work and all other aspects of its training, i have never seen a dog that has shown negative body language or required any treatment after being corrected and i've seen my fair share of these dogs.

    Really you have never seen a dog who has had a negative impact from being corrected?

    Wow then you need to get out more often, because those lunging barking dogs on walks...those are dogs who have been over corrected.

    Come to my place, meet my first dog, she is leash aggressive due to my correcting her on walks.

    Come to the place where I assist in classes and see all the leash reactive and dog aggressive dogs whose owners come to us for help because they used choke chains and corrections and now their dog is uncontrollable.

    Personally I am currently working with a reactive GSD, a reactive Lab X Kelpie. I have previously worked with a reactive ACD x. And this is all in the last 4 weeks. All dogs were given corrections on leash and all dogs are reactive to other dogs and sometimes people.


    Ange - I have seen the RAAF dogs working. Those dogs are trained by professionals and they receive a lot of praise and reward, maybe not in the form of food but in the form of verbal praise and tug (as stated above by Luke). I actually believe RAAF trainers are moving away from older methods of training and towards R+ training now days. Either way they are professionals, not idiots on youtube looking up ways to train their dog and watching idiotic videos like this and getting stupid ideas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AngelanBatty View Post
    Yeah ok.... I watched the whole thing through 3 times before commenting and didn't see anything like that. But hey, you know best right?
    Of course I know best, I know everything didnt you know? Everyone should bow at my feet because I am a genius in any and every subject known to man!!

    My comment sounds just as pathetic as yours!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by AngelanBatty View Post
    Umm, he is VERY clearly showing the dog EXACTLY what he wants from it. No confusion, no mixed messages. He says down, dog is compelled to lay down, dog is rewarded. No different to pushing on a puppies backside to teach it to sit. It is exactly the same thing.
    Shouldn't do that either. (Push bum to the ground to teach sit). Loads of better ways to train a dog then with compulsion.

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    I know what you are saying about dogs having negative reactions to correction and I have seen it too. Not with a well bred working dog, but with peoples pets.

    I've already said I don't think it should be on Youtube for exactly those reasons, but it isn't cruel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keira & Phoenix View Post
    Shouldn't do that either. (Push bum to the ground to teach sit). Loads of better ways to train a dog then with compulsion.
    I agree. There are tonnes of other methods. But frankly if that method works for that dog, is it best to use another or to go with that one?

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    I trained my old dog using old school correction. Or tried to, I wasn't even doing it right. I wouldn't recommend it to a beginner as I discovered it is too easy to make mistakes and prolong the whole process, but my dog adored me and she ended up being one very obedient dog.

    Reward based training is the safer option for the inexperienced and amateurs as they can do it without risking harm to the dog. And it will be enough to teach most everyday dogs everyday things.

    Still haven't watched that video as I'm now at work and not allowed to watch youtube. (Wasting my time on forums is ok though )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beloz View Post
    Still haven't watched that video as I'm now at work and not allowed to watch youtube. (Wasting my time on forums is ok though )
    I can do the sneeky youtube but it has no sound and trust me without it You can get a completely different idea of what is going on in a video!
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