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    Quote Originally Posted by Di_dee1 View Post
    I also can not see the problem with it. There was no cruelty and there are many ways to train a dog. This dog's reward was praise.
    Not the best praise though because as he is chatting merrily away to the camera he is idly patting the dog ... so the dog is getting patted for doing nothing then gets a pat for doing the right thing. not much of a reward IMO

    the reward for complying is actually the chain loosening, the pat on the head means nothing to dog.
    "In order to really enjoy a dog, one doesn't merely try to train him to be semihuman. The point of it is to open oneself to the possibility of becoming partly a dog." - Edward Hoagland

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    But while he's chatting the dog is calm, obviously happy to be patted and relaxed. It is also in a down position, isn't fidgeting or trying to get away, so is actually still being reqarded for doing the right thing.

    He's not an idiot BDL. It is an 'old school' method but it works.
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    Exactly, old school. There are better methods (bribing, etc.), but this is far from cruel or totally ineffective. That said, I wouldn't use this method, and I don't agree at it that it works with all dogs (ie, with dominant dogs that are going to snap back), and I don't agree with his ideals (that it's a submissive position and teaches the dog to respect him).
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    It is an old school method of training but it is well and truly outdated now.
    It shouldn't be on youtube to many idiots get ideas from this sort of s**t, and will often do it incorrectly or be too rough about it.

    I do not see the point in this sort of training when simple reward based training will work, and it will work more efficiently. On top of that reward based training will build a better bond with dog and human then forced/compulsion training. I would rather have a dog who loves being with me then a dog who has been bullied and would rather not be with me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keira & Phoenix View Post
    It is an old school method of training but it is well and truly outdated now.
    It shouldn't be on youtube to many idiots get ideas from this sort of s**t, and will often do it incorrectly or be too rough about it.

    I do not see the point in this sort of training when simple reward based training will work, and it will work more efficiently. On top of that reward based training will build a better bond with dog and human then forced/compulsion training. I would rather have a dog who loves being with me then a dog who has been bullied and would rather not be with me.
    K&P Will have to organise for you to see the RAAF dogs next time they do a training demo. The dogs adore their handlers and are trained using older methods than this. It's phenomenal to watch and the dogs would walk all over anyone training them with treats etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AngelanBatty View Post
    K&P Will have to organise for you to see the RAAF dogs next time they do a training demo. The dogs adore their handlers and are trained using older methods than this. It's phenomenal to watch and the dogs would walk all over anyone training them with treats etc.
    i was about to say....has anyone seen how they train Military Working Dogs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LukeDG View Post
    i was about to say....has anyone seen how they train Military Working Dogs?
    Well I am guessing I am glad I havent..

    I am not one to think that training should be all about peaches and fairy floss but in my oppinion the reward should ALWAYS be higher then the correction.

    You are telling a dog what not to do but not what you want them to be doing instead..
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    He is doing that though. Very clearly. I think you'd be amazed at how happy the MWD's are while they are working. They LIVE for their jobs literally. Nothing makes them happier than working.

    That dog clearly doesn't need a jackpotted reward. She is happy with him and the attention he is giving her. Frankly she looks a lot happier with him than most dogs do with owners who don't understand the value of a well timed correction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bulldog_Lover View Post
    Well I am guessing I am glad I havent..

    I am not one to think that training should be all about peaches and fairy floss but in my oppinion the reward should ALWAYS be higher then the correction.

    You are telling a dog what not to do but not what you want them to be doing instead..
    the reward is a very excited sounding good dog etc, plus a game of tug of war for sitting, laying, staying etc. It looks rough when they are training/being trained but they are training to do a VERY rough job. The dog enjoys training in bite work and all other aspects of its training, i have never seen a dog that has shown negative body language or required any treatment after being corrected and i've seen my fair share of these dogs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bulldog_Lover View Post
    You are telling a dog what not to do but not what you want them to be doing instead..
    Umm, he is VERY clearly showing the dog EXACTLY what he wants from it. No confusion, no mixed messages. He says down, dog is compelled to lay down, dog is rewarded. No different to pushing on a puppies backside to teach it to sit. It is exactly the same thing.

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