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    Quote Originally Posted by Keira & Phoenix View Post
    Cesar Millan kicking dogs - YouTube

    The parts that they cut out of the TV show.

    Especially watch where he kicks the GSD in the neck....
    2:20 in this vid and you see CM stringing a dog up by a check chain/DD collar (can't tell which through the dog's fur).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keira & Phoenix View Post
    Lots of trainers take on dogs who would be otherwise put to sleep.
    Too many people think Cesar is the only trainer on the planet who helps "red zone" dogs. He is not.

    My mentor has rehabbed lots of "red zone" dogs, dogs who were on their last chance, with owners who were ready to give up.

    Cesar doesn't have the monopoly on that.

    In the end how would you even know that those cases even end with a dog being rehabbed, how do we know that the dog doesn't get put down anyways? We don't because they would never air something like that.
    So what? You assume the dogs probably aren't rehabbed in the end simply because you don't know for sure either way?
    I'm not saying that I don't appreciate the other trainers who take on "red zone" dogs. Cesar's celebratory status doesn't make him better than them or worse, it just makes him known. Being famous makes you target to criticism and it takes plenty of courage. A lot of the money he gets goes to charity, which I suppose is a bonus that other trainers can't provide too. Yes he does have some methods that are rough, which I don't particularly agree with, but in the end he does far more good than bad. I also love his accent

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    Quote Originally Posted by puggerup View Post
    So what? You assume the dogs probably aren't rehabbed in the end simply because you don't know for sure either way?
    I'm not saying that I don't appreciate the other trainers who take on "red zone" dogs. Cesar's celebratory status doesn't make him better than them or worse, it just makes him known. Being famous makes you target to criticism and it takes plenty of courage. A lot of the money he gets goes to charity, which I suppose is a bonus that other trainers can't provide too. Yes he does have some methods that are rough, which I don't particularly agree with, but in the end he does far more good than bad. I also love his accent
    No I didn't say all of the dogs he works with don't get rehabbed. I said you wouldn't know if any or how many. I never assumed none got better.

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    buahahahaha the name of the clip he isn't KICKING the dogs, he's nudging them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keira & Phoenix View Post
    No I didn't say all of the dogs he works with don't get rehabbed. I said you wouldn't know if any or how many. I never assumed none got better.
    No we wouldn't know.. who cares? Every one dog his saves is good yeh?

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    Cesar Millan Sued
    Here’s what happened…
    Cesar Millan, from National Geographic’s Dog Whisperer, was sued by Flody Suarez, producer of Book of Daniel and 8 Simple Rules. According to the lawsuit, Suarez claims his Labrador-retriever, Gator, was injured after having been left at Millan’s dog training facility, Dog Psychology Center on February 27, 2006.

    Suarez stated that several hours after dropping Gator off at the facility, he received a phone call from a worker who said the dog had been taken to a veterinarian. Suarez arrived at the veterinary clinic to find that his dog was wearing an oxygen tent while gasping for air, after having been bleeding from his mouth and nose. The cause of his injury, according to Suarez, is from being forced to run on a treadmill, exhausted, while attached with a choke chain collar.
    Cesar Millan Dog Whisperer Lawsuit

    Cesar Millan
    Flody Suarez Lawsuit

    Flody Suarez

    Fan’s of the show have seen images of dogs running on treadmills, being jerked back in an aggressive fashion while on walks, and other training methods imposed by and preached by Millan. Critics of Millan claim that his methods are impractical and teach fear rather than corrected behavior.

    “Millan’s methods are based on flooding and punishment,” said Dr. Nicholas Dodman, Professor and Head, Section of Animal Behavior, Director of Behavior Clinic, Tufts University Cummings School of Veterinary Medicine.

    “My concerns are based on his inappropriateness, inaccurate statements, and complete fabrications of explanations for dog behavior,” said Dr. Suzanne Hetts, Certified Applied Animal Behaviorist and Co-owner of Animal Behavior Associates, Inc., Littleton, CO. “His ideas, especially those about “dominance”, are completely disconnected from the sciences of ethology and animal learning, which are our best hope for understanding and training our dogs and meeting their behavioral needs.”

    Jean Donaldson, The San Francisco SPCA Director of the Academy for Dog Trainers, remarked, “practices such as physically confronting aggressive dogs and using of choke collars for fearful dogs are outrageous by even the most diluted dog training standards.” Donaldson continued to say, “A profession that has been making steady gains in its professionalism, technical sophistication and humane standards has been greatly set back.”
    Dog Whisperer Lawsuit: Cesar Millan Sued by Flody Suarez

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    Quote Originally Posted by puggerup View Post
    buahahahaha the name of the clip he isn't KICKING the dogs, he's nudging them.
    Actually I see several occasions where he kicks a dog, a good proper hard kick.
    So you would be happy for him to use these techniques on your dog? What about on your old Bulldog?

    Quote Originally Posted by puggerup View Post
    No we wouldn't know.. who cares? Every one dog his saves is good yeh?
    IYes every dog saved is great. But what about the detriment he does to so many others?

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    Quote Originally Posted by smeagle View Post
    Or how about the countless episodes he alpha rolls dogs and forces them onto their back and holds them their by their necks?

    I also didn't see how the guy in the video you posted "nearly broke the dog's neck" (even though I thought it was crappy training).
    Yes I have seen him do it, I have done it with ruby before.

    As I said, you can repeat yourself a Million times, I can repeat myself a million times. You are not going to see what I see and I cant see what you see SIMPLE as THAT!!
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    Ok I get you now BDL. Forcing a dog to the ground into a drop with a collar and leash is abuse, but forcing a dog onto the ground on it's side with your bare hands is ok.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keira & Phoenix View Post
    Actually I see several occasions where he kicks a dog, a good proper hard kick.
    So you would be happy for him to use these techniques on your dog? What about on your old Bulldog?



    IYes every dog saved is great. But what about the detriment he does to so many others?
    What do you mean detriment? He saves many and maybe he doesn't save a few. At least they were given a chance.

    I didn't see any real kicks. I saw annoying taps and nudges. I also saw him pick the bulldog up by the skin and force it to do what he didn't want to. I wonder if it worked in the end and if the family now have a dog who can relax? I won't know because it only showed me 2 seconds of that segment.
    He wouldn't need ot treat Miley like that. She is a very well behaved girl. If he had of treated Bella like that, my main concern would have been his safety, but hey he is a grown man, so that's his problem if he gets bitten after he provokes.

    I do think he provokes the dogs so he can train them at their worst. No point training them when they are calm an happy.
    When a person goes to a psychologist, they usually get directed into thoughts and memories which triggers strong emotions which they are then helped to deal with. There wouldn't be any benefit from only going to see a psych when happy as Larry to sit and chat about the glorious weather.

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