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    When I had my really troubled dog (55kg of people and dog aggressive dog) in the beginning none of the positve Reinforcement people would touch her. They all suggested PTS.
    It was only a person who used some of both who would help........And I tried a lot of Behaviourists/Trainers. Local Vet Behaviourist and some in Melbourne and Sydney. Even some of the ones touted as the best, would not help.
    Annabelle is now a really well mannered and even tempered dog. Very social and easy to get along with. So we counter conditioned her and we did have to use some well timed P+........But now she is trained very much R+/P-
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    In my mind it comes down to what the handler is capable of achieving. A reputable trainer could take 99% of dogs and train LLW on a flat collar but what a reputable trainer can achieve is irrelevant - it's about what the handler is capable of doing. Some handlers need the leverage that a tool like a prong can give them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smeagle View Post
    In my mind it comes down to what the handler is capable of achieving. A reputable trainer could take 99% of dogs and train LLW on a flat collar but what a reputable trainer can achieve is irrelevant - it's about what the handler is capable of doing. Some handlers need the leverage that a tool like a prong can give them.
    exactly . i have worked with a lot of dogs and their owners and at the end of the day i have to do the things that the owner can handle, most of the time i wouldn't need or want to do something a certain way but some people need it done that way .... hmm that sounded confusing.

    at the end of the day if the dog is learning and it is not being physically or emotionally traumatized i don't see the problem. Counter-conditioning is great if you have the time, patience and proper attitude for it. But it can take a long long time for the dog to be 99.9% reliable in the situation. In my place of training they use a mix of counter-conditioning and punishment to work with aggressive dogs, or dogs who are going to hurt themselves or others.

    And on the idea of Danes being larger and stronger than Dobes. I have worked my fair share and I'm not huge. But I find holding a Dane much easier than a Dobe. Have you seen the muscles Dobes naturally have? haha
    "In order to really enjoy a dog, one doesn't merely try to train him to be semihuman. The point of it is to open oneself to the possibility of becoming partly a dog." - Edward Hoagland

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