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    For the past week, Milo has been refusing to go outside to sleep when I tell him to. Normally when I say "bed time", he will stand up and walk to the door and wait for me to tuck him in bed. But lately he's been ignoring the command and running away when he knows it's time to sleep. I understand it's cold outside and a lot warmer inside.

    His 'bed' is an old kitchen cabinet rotated so that the base of the cabinet is where he enters - like an open box. It's lined with carpet and about 5 old towels. I have noticed though, that despite it being all 'wooly' and full of cotton, the material is quite cold from the environmental temperature.

    Sleeping inside doesn't seem to be an option since the rest of the family forbids him upstairs (even though I said I don't mind him sleeping in my room). Also, he can't be left alone downstairs as he'll look for us when he wakes up - so he'll end up going upstairs, AND he nibbles on our furniture every now and then when no one is watching him.

    I would really like to find solutions for either:
    1. getting Milo to just deal with it and sleep outside - stop being a sulk (what my family would like)
    2. trusting him to not chew on furniture and not come upstairs if left alone to sleep.


    EDIT: I would like to add, that the only room downstairs is the study room with a few electrical wires so he can't be left alone in there. He normally sleeps in there while I work, but he's never alone in there.
    The rest of downstairs is completely open area, so isolating him downstairs will be difficult.
    Last edited by Kaer; 06-14-2011 at 09:56 PM.

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    I'm not a fan of outside dogs so this is going to be biased.

    Crate the poor thing inside where it's warm.

    Yes you may have a few sleepless nights while he is being trained but he obviously does not want to be outside, alone, in the freezing cold.

    You have an option, you just have to put the work in to make it work.

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    It's ok Crested. I'm open to all suggestions - it's just a matter of whether the rest of my family approves on it.

    As much as I'd like him to sleep indoors, preferably in my room, I can't do so without being inconsiderate of my family who live under the same roof.

    I have considered crate training the moment I brought him into our lives, but dad and sister were being somewhat ignorant and said it looks ugly hence don't buy one. Yeh, I don't understand their logic. I've explained how the training works and what the aim of the training is, but they won't budge.

    So I much preferably would like to go around finding a way to let him sleep indoors. My sister argued that if we let him sleep indoors now, all the training we've done to get him to sleep outdoors would confuse him and lower our "pack leader" figure since we've "given in" to his stubborness.

    But if I can't let him sleep indoors... I need to find a way to get him to sleep outside without having him run away.

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    My young working dogs all sleep inside at night in their crates. No noise, no fuss, simple. I didnt have to train them, even my rescues were as good as gold from the word go about being crated.

    Second option is to do what my sister does with her dogs that sleep outside. Make sure the kennel is weatherproof and draft proof and very cosy.
    An old cabinet with carpet and towels are not particularly cosy. A cheap option is to go and buy a nice thick piece of foam and buy a big hessian bag - snooza bed make them or there are generic bags from between 6 - 12 dollars and put the foam in bag and stitch it up. Nice and tough.

    Get a decent kennel and place in a sheltered area. You can often get good secondhand kennels in various trading post type newspapers.

    You can also buy the dog a warm rug, my sister rugs her dogs that sleep outside. They are whippets so short coated and lean like kelpies.

    It really isnt that hard to make sure the dog has a nice warm cozy place to sleep, even if it is outside.

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    kaer

    Your family aren't playing fair. They won't let you have a crate, and they won't let your dog go upstairs. And it's bloody cold outside.

    You can make them pay for one of these...
    Dog Heating Pad by Warm a Pet | K9 Pro
    (go through the home page and the face book page for potential discounts)
    And K9pro's crates aren't ugly.

    Neither are these crates.
    K9+ Soft Dog Crates : Australia

    But I guess you can always get a pretty table cloth to go over it. The advantage of the soft sided crates is they're quick to pack up or set up so you wouldn't need to leave it up all day. Only when it's bed time.

    I sometimes heat up a wheat bag and put it inside a pillowslip for my dog but I'm not sure she appreciates it. She does like the fan heater tho.

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    My dog isn't allowed to sleep inside (although I let him in when it's raining), crated or not. He refuses to sleep in his dog house or anything similar. So he sleeps outside on the grass on an old sheet, and he wears his warm coat from about 7pm at night until around 10am the next day during the colder nights.

    Yes, it's cold, and I'd like for him to be inside. But really, it's not going to hurt him.
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    After 1 hour, I finally got him outside... by tricking him! (I feel bad for it)

    Anyway...

    I know his current 'bed' ain't the best place to sleep in, but it was the coziest thing I could gather from existing things. His box is in the corner of the 2.5 x 6m verandah so he's sorta getting a shelter under a shelter heh. The rain cannot reach the corner he sleeps in. We gave him an old pillow before to sleep on. Worked well for 3 nights then he tore it apart and the garden was full of white fluff. He likes tearing into things like empty tissue boxes we give him and his now shredded teddy bear, so we thought that if we got him another type of cushion-like beds, he will tear it apart.
    When I tuck him in, I use one towel to cover half of the box entrance to attempt to block out any potential wind, but it usually ends up falling.

    I've put in a hot water bottle in there before too. He seemed to mind its presence a lot and probably didn't like sleeping on a bulge.

    I've tried letting him wear a dog coat. Didn't last very long... Put it on at night and it was shredded in the morning.

    I will read about the crates tomorrow... a bit too late right now lol. If I am able to convince my family to get a crate for him, I wouldn't be able to start training him to use the crate straight away as I am in the middle of uni exams..and simply can't afford the chance of a few nights of broken sleep.

    If I tried giving him a cusioned bed pillow thing again, would he not rip through it again as he is a bit older?

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    Crates don't have to be ugly, ours are all pretty well disguised.

    One "crate" I use is actually my bedside table.
    I took the drawers out and made a front with wooden bars.
    Painted the whole thing black (inside and out)
    A bedside table wouldn't work for a larger dog but there are plenty of options rather than having a wire crate in the corner.

    You could sew up some fancy covers for it, or make some plywood sides and a front with fancy handles to put on it during the day so it looks like a nice cupboard.
    No-one has to know it's a crate.
    I LOVE the last idea here...
    Crate built in to the cupboard, during the day you can just shut the cupboard doors and no-one knows what's inside. Leave them open at night, which doesn't matter because everyone's in bed!


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    Try getting a coat that buckles up so that he can't tear it off. Why do you need to trick your dog? Mine may not want to go outside, but he sure as hell is, even if I have to push him out that door xD

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    Ours do either, if they are outside they have their coats on and their blankets over them. Their beds are on our patio and I have made them a 'cubby house' basically to keep the night air off.

    At the moment they are sleeping in our room as Lilly is only complete rest so if we aren't awake to supervise she is confined OH has built a frame to make the top of a kennel we are waiting for it to be covered but the bloke is slow as.

    Boof has been known to remove Lilly's coat.... she stands nice and still and raises her head so he can grab the velcro strap and pull it off so she can walk out the front, LOL it's quite cute that they are so clever doing it. They wear the weatherbeata landa.

    Their beds are the frames with 'plastic hession slings, with the snooza pet futons on them.

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