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    Im looking for some one that has used a prong collar tell me about it please.

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    http://www.dogforum.com.au/dog-train...llars-why.html

    When you're done reading that thread, contact Steve Courtney direct via his website and ask him to recommend someone who can help you out with training (the handler and the dog) if you want to use one.

    If you get training and have a good understanding about timing etc, they can be great. If you get no training, have no understanding, they can make a dog worse behaved.

    If you have a well trained well behaved dog already - you probably don't need.

    And they're illegal to use in some states.

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    Hi,
    I used one last night for the first time. all I can say is they are AMAZING!!!
    I've had many sessions with a dog trainer, with training tips in daily use whilst walking my dog, with no real change after 1yr of walking.

    My dog was a different animal with just 15mins using the prong collar! controlled, loose lead, wouldnt even jump up on my neighbour when provoked.

    Some will tell you that they are cruel etc, and yes they can if used incorrectly. I even placed it around my leg and gave the same amount of force for a correction, with minimal feeling/discomfort, and im sure the dogs fur/skin is tougher than mine!

    The big tip is have someone experienced in using them to fit it to the correct size, and to instruct you on its correct usage.

    Walking my dog is now an instant pleasure!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonathon View Post
    Hi,
    I even placed it around my leg and gave the same amount of force for a correction, with minimal feeling/discomfort, and im sure the dogs fur/skin is tougher than mine!
    Did you try placing it around your neck? Because that is where it is on the dog.

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    Yeah but a dog's neck takes much more punishment than a human neck.

    Essentially I think a prong collar is better than a choke collar, because it has limited squeeze - vs unlimited strangulation, and it pinches rather than choking and a correctly fitted one is high above the dog's trachea / adam's apple so is potentially less damaging that way.

    But having said all that, I'd be very reluctant to put one on my dog. I prefer a front attach harness and my next choice would be a head halter and a very short lead - ie no opportunity to make a big lunge.

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    I agree, I'd prefer to use a front attach harness. Though even my reactive dog has a pretty good loose leash and stays with me. I don't like prong collers, but when a person knows how to use one, well they're better then choke collers or shock collers or lifting your dog up in a normal coller like some would do.

    What did you actually get one for? Because the dog was pulling or something else?

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    Just thought I'd add; the PP collar also delivers pressure all around the neck, unlike a check/ choke chain which puts pressure only in one spot thus elevating risk of neck injury.

    A PP collar correctly used can increase handler control (and confidence) therefore allowing teaching/ training to occur. A PP (or any tool for that matter) is akin to worthless without accompanying training, IMHO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyacinth View Post
    Yeah but a dog's neck takes much more punishment than a human neck.
    Thanks for backing me up with that one!

    Quote Originally Posted by DeeSpark View Post
    What did you actually get one for? Because the dog was pulling or something else?
    My boy would pull frequently, but more so was uncontrollable when there was another dog near by - he would jump and pull to the point of strangulation with a choker.
    Now I can actually have him sit and stay whilst the other dog walks past.

    I've tried many methods: halti's, front attaching harnesses, shoulder attaching harnesses, chocker chains, food/reward (food drive goes out the window when outside!), stopping and standing when he pulls, changing direction when he walks in front.

    The prong is the only method that can get his attention when highly stimulated.

    And for all those whom believe they are cruel - come and see my dog when I get the collar out - he gets excited, licks the collar, and wags his tail so much that his whole body moves (now that isnt a dog who doesnt like it of feels it is punishment)

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    jonathon

    now you can work on managing the "high stimulation" ie you work up to the edge of it and gradually build your dog's tolerance to the distraction so he can still focus on you. Or build the value the dog has for you so he doesn't notice the distraction - you are the entire/main focus all the time.

    On necks and collars - I'd rather have a prong collar around my neck than a choke chain. Sigh.

    Pavlov's dogs used to get excited about being hooked up to machines to collect their saliva - they had tubes and all sorts hanging out of them but they'd pull to the lab. Cos that's where they got their dinner.

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    Not my words & I couldn't have said it better myself....



    "Prong collars and other painfull training methods are nothing but laziness. Please do your research when looking for a behaviourist. Reputable behaviourists will only use kind, positive reinforcement training methods, which you and your dog will both enjoy, meaning your dog will chose to do the right behaviour rather than have it forced out of pain!

    You are supposed to enjoy training your dog. Do you enjoy inflicting discomfort or pain on your dog, especially knowing that safer, and pain/side effect free techniques exist? You are teaching a creature who does not intrinsically understand our culture or ways, and is quite willing to cooperate once he realizes you are both on the same team. As the human, one of your jobs is to protect your dog from harm so he can trust you. Why send conflicting messages to your student who speaks another language? Only lazy, ignorant, and uncaring trainers still teach people to use these barbaric tools on their friends. Speak up. K- my rant is done."



    But will add you people thats use such barbaric collars are low life cold hearted f****** scumbags & its people like you that need karma to hit you 1000's x over.

    https://www.facebook.com/pages/Ban-t...17063751647946

    The images speak for themselves...

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