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    Some background first, dog is an eight month old staffy, she is very smart, but unfortunatly most of her many problems stem from inconsistant handling and verbal commands from all the members in the family. Family members don't do things consistantly, even though they have been reminded umpteen times and I'm sure this adds to her confusion. She is owned by the eldest family member who has basically put the training in her "to do later" basket I am quite busy and orginally didn't want to be the primary trainer as she isn't my dog, but everything is out of hand with the worst of it, the dog biting my ten year old daughter with play agression and bailing her up when she goes outside sometimes, so the riot act was read to the dogs owner, there has to be improvement in the dogs behaviour, or else...... Anyway I feel I need to step up and take on the training in the hope her much adored owner will jump on board too and do more than she has been doing!

    I will try to keep it simple, and not expand on everything, unless needed to.
    She is eight months old, I would call her a dominant type and basically has no manners, she can sit half the time when asked to, loves chasing the ball, once you can get it from her. She has boundless energy, goes for a walk/jog almost every day with me, she is pretty well behaved when walking, untill she sees other dog's and then she's beside herself with joy and all over the place pulling and jumping! She will be anoutside dog untill she can be toilet trained, and calmer in the house.

    There seem to be so many issues with her she seems to be a dominant type of dog, and I think it stems from different people saying and doing different things with her, I can say to do this and do that, but it takes ages for people to acutually do what I have asked, if they do at all. So I find I can be having success with what I'm doing with her, but along comes another person and their method, and bam my work seems to go out the window. I can't be with her all the time, monitoring everything that goes on correcting all the humans, it is truly frustrating, eg people pat her when she's jumping up on them, despite the fact the've been told to make her sit when she's jumping around on them.

    So back to the main problem that I am trying to work on, and that is her biting, she's done it from when she was a young pup to now, and it's now become, if you can call it this, play aggression, and she seems to bite harder when she's exited, so it hurts. It is so annoying and well and truly beyond cute, and it's unacceptable and dangerous with anyone especially little children. I had thought we could try to recreate the situation with my ten year old daughter, but the dog wasn't gettting exited and therefore wasn't biting her. And that's really as far as we have gone. I'm really out of ideas, short of me having her on a lead and doing obedience type stuff that I did years ago with my own dogs. Thanks in advance

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    I would suggest calling a professional to help you, which has been suggested before. A dog biting people is not something that can be analysed effectively online.

    In the meantime, if she bites game over. Literally walk away. I teamed this with a really harsh growl noise the instant that teeth touched skin and my dog has since learnt bite inhibition, he'll also pick up toys and chomp on them while playing. We think he's Kelpie cross Staffy, but his lineage on his fathers side is completely unknown.

    If having her on a short lead all the time with you will work, do that! You will only get her toilet trained for the house by allowing her in. If you have her on a short leash with you in the house then you can control her behavior and you can teach her what's acceptable and what's not.

    My dog has been taught the commands "Enough" & "Settle" he does both when we tell him so we can play with him indoors on wet days.

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    I have posted this in your other thread too, but I noticed you moved
    It is a shame all of this has been allowed to go so far....hyacinth has given some really good ideas and they work.

    From my experience with working with many dogs in Obedience/Rescue and asking histories of owners, I find chained dogs often have to worst habits. Dogs in general need a lot of interaction and some breeds more them others. I have seen many dogs mentally destroyed by the pinning (alpah roll) them down. I think they only time that should be used is by behaviourists who knows how it should be done and when, with good timing. And it should only be done in extreme cases........My newfie; Dog and people aggressive (severe) only ever had it done once after she attacked a dog. If a dog is truly dominant and very few are, it is about the worst thing you can do to get a good relationship. Even if you watch the natural dog (wolf or a pack of dogs), it is not done often and only by a dog who is respected by the other dog. Or who has shown him he is tougher and been in a fight with the other dog. And you don't want that sort of relationship. Cesar Milan has timing and is very good at reading dogs and most people can just not even half imagine what he knows. That is why I hate his shows, He is good, but he gives people the idea that they can just do it......
    I would at this point get an experienced Trainer/behaviourist in. Even just to read the dog and see if it is aggression or just play.
    With my puppies I also use the "put the hand/ fingers right down the mouth" method and my dogs always have good bite inhibition. But it was started for day one......
    Even our new rescues have everything started form day one. It is hard to track back if you have allowed the dog to bite, without good help. Or allowed them to do anything. Start form day one, what you want them to do forever.
    Potty training also is better done earlier then later. But I have had 14 month old Rescue's and have used the umbilical method really successfully. I also use the bell. With puppies I again use the same system and crate them at night. It is just so easy to train babies, they are like sponges and love to learn.
    So I would suggest get some help, do some training and spend a lot of time with your puppy. Good luck and happy training
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    Jinda

    As long as you label the dog a "dominant type dog" you take no responsibility for its behaviour. Yes some dogs are more likely to bite than others - given no direction from their owners, and some dogs are harder to train than others. But that's no excuse for letting this get out of hand.

    Cesar Milan is not helping you. Neither is your "dominant dog" theory (it really does sound like CM talking when I read that).

    Get some real help or find a new home for the dog before it does real damage and has to be put to sleep.

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    PS I have a cattle dog cross, her natural instinct is to bite the heels of anything that moves, and as a puppy she tried to do that. She doesn't do that now, because I worked hard to show her that she's to stay with me not chase joggers or bikes etc. If I can do it, you can.

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    thanks all for the replies, it sounds like a good idea to get a profesdional in, but who do you trust seriously? In the past i've heard of so called professionals not actually helping with the situation, is there a body that gives accreditation around Australia?
    I can strongly suggest this happens (i think it would be great for everyone to get some advice), but not sure if it will actually happen.

    Dog has had access to a yard now for 2 months, but still is chained up at night time.

    Yes i have watched CM and you basically see the finished outcome and not the work going in, with timing being so crucial

    Well as with most subjects there is terminoligy, I say dominant type dog, because i don't know what else to call her type of personality.

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    I've met Steve Courtney

    I've seen him do amazing things with aggressive dogs, but more importantly he will teach you how to achieve peace in your house and give you new ways to deal with your dog that won't continue to encourage the problem.

    All dogs I've ever met will take every inch you let them and push for more. Even mine and she's as soft as they come. Dominance has not much to do with it. All dogs (and children) push their limits. It's up to you to set and enforce your limits consistently. And some dogs are quick to catch on and respect your limits easily, and others forget fast and push every single day.

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    Well I (we) have been on a steep learning curve this week getting info on training and dog pyschology. Poor pooch has been stung by a bee and had a trip to the vets, all good now though. He gave my Daughter a training sheet which also described some dog pyschology, I have found it a huge help and interesting.

    I should say that the dog is not an agressive dog, i may have got the terminoligy wrong. She adores other dogs and gets super hyper around people at time and as she hasn't developed bite inhibition, the bites can hurt!

    As I have said above, I have started to put the time in train this dog now, ( she actually belongs to one of my daughters, who unfortunately for the dog, hasn't done very much with her), dog needs to develop manners and be a joy to be around and even at eight months it's not too late.

    I'm very pleased with the progress we've made in a few days. She is a smart dog which makes it easy when i'm doing the right thing and consistant. I can also look back and see there have been changes over the months that are good changes too!

    I have been looking on the forum for a place to blog our progress, but not sure where to put one, any ideas?
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    Hi Jinda

    Hooray for getting your (daughter's) dog the help it needs. I must admit my mum was extremely worried for some reason when I got a dog, because her last dog was one my sister dumped on her.

    You can probably start your own thread in the training section to record your progress, though we might all join in with cheers and suggestions. Di Dee did one for when her dog (it's hers now) was pregnant. It makes very interesting reading for anyone who is going through pregnant dog and whelping and all that.

    Otherwise the website blogspot lets you do blogging for free and you have more control over comments.

    www.blogger.com

    It's part of google - but do bear in mind anything you have on the internet can abruptly disappear (eg all the microsoft forums) any time the owners want (eg google). So if you want to keep track in a more certain way, keep copies of your blog posts on your own computer and back those up.

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    He will naturally grow out of it. However if you want to take action now, then the best way to teach any dog on how to stop doing something is just to make a loud noise (i.e clapping) when ever he bites. The noise will distract him then the second he stops praise him and give him a treat. Remember he may be having teething problems so it may be nice for him to bite. Make sure he has plenty of toys he can bite and play around with, Hoped this helped

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    Ice I found is good for teething! They don't choke on it if swallowed, it won't kill them if swallowed, plus it's slippery and slides around, my dog loves the stuff

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