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    Default Timid 17 Mth Kelpie Cowers Alot Ex Working Dog

    hi all
    I am new. we got our brown tri colour kelpie girl Maddie last July, when she was 8 months old. she had already been working on a sheep farm but apparently was a "reject" as she was too timid. I have the feeling she must have been abused by humans or the pack as when she first came to us you couldn't touch her from behind anywhere without her jumping nervously. she is a sweet girl and very smart always comes when she is called can sit and stay (sort of) and is eager to please. But...I cant for the life of me get her to shake hands or pet her without her going all submissive and lying on her back. is there any way this can be resolved? It would be great to be able to pet her without her collapsing on the ground every time. she is a lot better and more confident nowadays but is still a real scaredy cat with any thing new and hates, to the point of wetting....water so she is a bit smelly as we cant put her through the bathing process very often, it is pitiful... any ideas how to train her?

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    Some working dogs can be treated less than gently...

    The best way to move her forward from this behaviour is to provide confident leadership. Never reassure her when she appears nervous (I know this can be tough!) as you are rewarding this behaviour and further entrenching it.

    If she rolls on her back, turn away and let her come back to you in a more positive way.

    If you walk her on-lead, whenever she shows nervousness - ignore it. Walk with her in a confident and relaxed way. Don't wheedle or encourage her, show her the way to walk forward, she will follow your lead.Talk about the weather if you have to, but don't acknowledge her concern. Maybe she won't follow instantly but as she builds confidence in your leadership she will.

    By you not showing any concern or worry, you will start to show her that there is no need for her to feel that way. Give her a positive lead and she will pick it up.

    Sometimes nervy behaviour can re-appear for a while, but she'll be a smart cookie - give her your lead and let her follow.

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    Thanks for the advice, it is much appreciated. I actually feel more frustrated than concerned actually. but she would be picking up on that as well, so i will try to chill out more. She has free rein over 25 acres and follows the tractor and/or my hubby all day long, rounds up the chooks and 'helps' to make sure i get my washing trolley to the line then sits at my feet under the line. she takes these tasks seriously even though we find them comical. A guard dog she is not. Everyone is her friend, people,mice,rabbits,cats,dogs etc...she does eat the locusts though and chases the birds.if someone looks a bit suspect she hides in the garage.brave girl!
    cheers

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    I like this article

    http://k9-trainers.org/docs/Building...-A-Shy-Dog.pdf

    I also play tug with shy/submissive dogs and let them win a few times. I do teach them "give" or "ta" first though.

    With Batty I used the exchange for a treat method. Now I say "ta" and whatever he has is literally spat at the ground or just spat out of his mouth.

    Good luck with her Be aware that Kelpies are highly intelligent and if she has learnt that cowering away and acting afraid gets her her own way she will use that to her advantage. I'm not saying that's what she is doing, just something that I have observed in Kelpies generally.

    oh, and try training with a marker word. Start the same as you would clicker training but use a happy & enthusiastic "Yes" instead of the click. It can work wonders and your enthusiasm & mood will transfer to her.

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    Pretty is also submissive and rolls over in front of people. She was my FIL's working dog till I dognapped her when too late he realised she was pregnant. She is also a very timid dog. This is her nature. Bandit (her pup) also has this with new people and things and I have raised him since birth.
    I KNOW she as never been mistreated. All my FIL's dogs roll over like this as with his problem with his knees he can not get low to pat them so they roll over for a tummy rub with his foot.

    Any posts made under the name of Di_dee1 one can be used by anyone as I do not give a rats.

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    i would love Maddy to sit up straight when a hand comes her way to pat or shake her paw. I will continue to try, perhaps holding a treat just above her nose while taking her paw might work. its ok for her to roll over for a tummy rub too. she has a way to go with a few things. Bathing for instance is a nightmare for her and us. i am thinking of getting a mobile dog washer to do the dirty deed once in a while.hehehe

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    My thoughts are if it is ingrained you will have a hell of a time trying to right it.
    I have had Pretty over 18 months now and she still rolls over even though sh is ignored when doing this.
    She will go down the hallway if any visitors come here.
    Bandit, her pup is 18months old nearly.
    The pups do not do the rollover for a tummy rub by a foot as we have never done this with them.
    Even with excellent socialisation with people as pups they are still timid initially when meeting someone.
    All my dogs dislike our neighbour and will not go near him.
    This neighbour has always been in their lives, he is here a couple of days a week.
    He has his own dog that adores him.
    We have known him over 20years and he was a large part of my support group through chemo and radiation. He is only here when we are and has never done anything to induce fear in our dogs.

    The only explanation is that he must be a serial killer or an assassin in his secret life and the dogs pick up on this lol.

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    hehehe
    who knows what goes on in a dogs mind? I think i will take Maddy to an obedience/agility course which runs in our area and see how she goes. oh i tried holding up a treat just above her nose whilst asking for her paw and she stayed sitting (sort of) but didn't give me her paw either. i gave her the bickie anyway for at least staying upright. we are probably used of our very old boy Sid who died at 18yrs who was a red healer x and a very brave boy who protected us (a bit too much at times) Maddy is a completely different kettle of fish and is so gentle and loving. we don't like a dog in the house all day but let Maddy come in at night and she goes straight to her bed near our chairs now she has got the hang of it. the TV posed a huge challenge to her but now she only freaks out when there is heavy footsteps or a door being knocked on TV.

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