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    I don't really think it matter which dog is fed first or petted first, the human should be the pack leader and as such determines in which order everyone else eats... It sounds like Kevin has a pretty good plan in mind... hope it works for you Kevin... the longer you keep them apart the harder it is to bring them back together... desexing should help now... I would still be looking into the female hormones to reduce the testosterone quicker.. I can't remember if you mentioned where you are, I'm in Melbourne and happy to come and see your boys if you are close enough..

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChoppaChop View Post
    And Crested,all I can say is that in a nutshell I call your 'expert' breeders dogs under/even un socialised.An extremely dangerous thing in any bull breed.
    Oh wow, never realized you had been to Tassie and met the dogs, they're gorgeous aren't they, and so friendly with people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crested_Love View Post
    Oh wow, never realized you had been to Tassie and met the dogs, they're gorgeous aren't they, and so friendly with people.
    Seriously Crested,dont start with this smart arse crap ey?
    Being friendly to people is this breeds forte......I was talking of dogs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lala View Post
    Can someone offer any light on this business regarding giving the older dog his food first, and patting the older dog first etc.

    I understand the theory behind it, its to keep the dog the humans think should be more dominant in a more dominant position.

    However, IMO this could just be causing more issues. You might think the older dog shoul dbe dominant, but the fact is, he might not be.

    I would be really interested in others opinions on this type of influence on the dogs behaviours.

    Personally, my dogs bowls are put down at the same time or maybe one slightly before the other. Which ever dog is the first to get to me is the first one that gets pats etc etc. Ive always done this and never had squabbles, maybe the odd snap here and there but that would be it.
    I believe that we as people can not make the choice as to which dog is the top dog out of a pack. We can be their Alpha, but they sort the next level.
    I have worked with several trainers with aggressive dogs and it is one of the reasons why dog fight happen in families.
    I have a pack, four very large dogs. That one was very dog and people aggressive when we got her. Our older dog thought she could be her alpha and this caused a lot of fight and tension. And some very bloody fights with severe injuries. We sought help from a very experienced trainer and he told us we were part of the problem by having picked the wrong dog.
    We did lots of obedience with both girls and worked them side by side. We had to keep them apart until we got good obedience control over them. Meaning we trained them to stop dead on "wait" or "quit"......
    And we allowed the new dog to be the alpha of the dogs. Now if we see any tension, we use calming signals and go into Obedience mode. We have had hardly any issues now. But we are aware that there might always be a potential. Funnily enough adding a lovely friendly male to our pack has made it a lot happier. I have learned so much about dog behaviour since I have owned Annabelle for the last 2.5 years.
    And learning calming signs has also been one of the best things. But the part that helped most was having well trained obedience dogs. That has made the biggest difference, Obedience Training.
    When it comes down to basics, dogs are dogs.
    I am definitely not telling you what you have to do, just letting you know what I have learned in my very trying first year with Annabelle
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    agree totally one of the biggest mistakes we make is assuming we know more than our dogs... another point is the alpha dog (all humans should be above the dogs) will change as the dogs age... older dogs need to stand aside for youngsters, but not before they are ready... it's not something we as humans can control... you also mentioned calming signals they are great we should start a new topic on that.. most people have no idea how to read them or how to project them...

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    Oh yes. I am the one they will all obey. Their hierarchy has being tested between the male and his mother. By all signs he is top dog now and things have settled a lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChoppaChop View Post
    Seriously Crested,dont start with this smart arse crap ey?
    Being friendly to people is this breeds forte......I was talking of dogs.
    I was only responding to your blanket statement about a persons dogs you have never met.
    Yep their entire males need to be kept well apart... that's not just bully breeds, that's ANY breed. Hormones have nothing to do with socialization. That's like saying a male dog won't mate a bitch in season because it has been socialized with females.

    My mum had 2 entire male Shih Tzus living together... did they get in scraps? You betcha, they just don't do the damage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crested_Love View Post
    I was only responding to your blanket statement about a persons dogs you have never met.
    Yep their entire males need to be kept well apart... that's not just bully breeds, that's ANY breed. Hormones have nothing to do with socialization. That's like saying a male dog won't mate a bitch in season because it has been socialized with females.

    My mum had 2 entire male Shih Tzus living together... did they get in scraps? You betcha, they just don't do the damage.
    Look forget it crested.
    you just simply dont get it and i have enough to wear me down without your passive aggressive 'oh i was just...' nonsense.
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    This has been a good thread, IMO. If I were the OP, I would have found it helpful, and, I appreciate that there has been a lot of effective information from different sides of the argument, without TOO much sarcasm or bickering in between points :P

    I definitely agree in letting the dogs, birds, horses etc. sort out their own hierarchy. At my place, I am Number One... no questions asked. All dogs, birds, husband () answer to me, but after that, I let them sort it out. My dogs don't scrap, but, they certainly do some damage when they are playing, which is also when they sort out who's boss. The puppy comes off second best, because she's smaller. But, one day, I'm sure Kaiser will let her take over, and I'll be patching his wounds up, instead of hers. I don't pick sides--they get fed at the same times, trained the same, patted the same, and they sort out who sleeps in the best spots. And, for us, it works pretty well.

    newfsie - I'd love you to start a thread on calming signals, and what you learned with your trainer With a cherry on top?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kristy_07 View Post
    This has been a good thread, IMO. If I were the OP, I would have found it helpful, and, I appreciate that there has been a lot of effective information from different sides of the argument, without TOO much sarcasm or bickering in between points :P

    I definitely agree in letting the dogs, birds, horses etc. sort out their own hierarchy. At my place, I am Number One... no questions asked. All dogs, birds, husband () answer to me, but after that, I let them sort it out. My dogs don't scrap, but, they certainly do some damage when they are playing, which is also when they sort out who's boss. The puppy comes off second best, because she's smaller. But, one day, I'm sure Kaiser will let her take over, and I'll be patching his wounds up, instead of hers. I don't pick sides--they get fed at the same times, trained the same, patted the same, and they sort out who sleeps in the best spots. And, for us, it works pretty well.

    newfsie - I'd love you to start a thread on calming signals, and what you learned with your trainer With a cherry on top?
    Second cherry on top even newf

    great post as well kristy

    off to rewrite the post that went poof on me earlier.....should o9nly take about,oh,40 minutes or so -sigh-
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