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    Hey All

    Following on from my previous post http://www.dogforum.com.au/introduce...ucing-zoe.html

    I have finally gone ahead and registered Zoe into obedience classes starting on the 13th of March. I am needing to find the best suited collar to use when training as the instructor said no harnesses and staffies pull too much. i have found she walk really well using the harness but suppose when there are other distractions around it will be a different story. So please if anyone has any advice on this, any suggestions would be appreciated!

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    Jonathan

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    I would recommend a front attach harness - not the sled dog sort that attach at the rear. The front attach ones provide you leverage on your dog around its own body, and unbalance it when it starts pulling, so the dog can pull much less.

    If the dog club says no to a front attach harness - especially in the first three grades - I'd be tempted to find another club that will allow the harness. However if they're really determined and the club seems ok to you in other ways, I would recommend a flat collar or a martingale collar (limited slip). I would avoid a standard choke chain, all a staffy will do is learn to ignore it.

    And if she likes food, I would get yourself a fisherman's jacket, or bum bag or treat bag that you can use to dispense tiny treats at a high rate during training sessions. If you treat a dog loads at your hip, it learns - if I keep this position - I get treats, and it will be much more inclined to heel nicely.

    I admit my club does not allow training in front attach harness unless I get a note from the doctor about my (imaginary) shoulder injury. So I use the front attach harness for meet and greet before training starts, and a flat collar (and loads of treats) for training.

    Try to use the treats as a reward not a lure as much as possible ie wait until the dog gets in the required position, slap your thigh to encourage her, and tell her "yes" and "good dog" if she's headed in the right direction, but don't use the treat like a carrot with a donkey to lure her into following the treat into the right position or she will only learn to follow the treat and nothing else that you want.

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    In my basic foundation obedience group, our members are required to use a flat collar as at that point in our training we want to avoid corrections as much as possibly practical. Really unruly dogs might be encouraged to wear a Martingale.

    We don't have members using harnesses (I'll have to ask boss her reason why, I personally don't like harnesses much for training purposes but that's personal preference).

    Other than that, exactly what Hyacinth said.... Great post worth rereading!!!!

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    In our beginner classes you are allowed to have a flat collar, martingale collar, head collars and the front attaching harness. And they all work well. We like the dog to have what it is used to.
    For a staffy I would also recommend a front attaching harness "no pull"...I love them.
    I use one on my young newfie pup now, when I walk the four dogs. She can get a little exited to say hello and might pull. It makes her safe and does no harm
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    Thanks for the great responses. I will have to start looking around and see what exactly all these collars are and see which one would suit us best.

    Will let you know how I go!

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    Boss is an angel on a halti collar (head collar) and shocking on a normal flat collar, while walking. Could you use one of them?

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    Hey All

    Just an update on the training and collar. I got a halti collar and Zoe absolutely hates it. She goes nuts every time I fit it and continually tried to scratch it off. Even if I hold her and try to get it off for her she continues to go crazy.

    Any suggestions on how to get her used to wearing it?

    She was pretty well behaved at her first training session but we have a lot to work on between now and Sunday.

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    Try to distract her by walking along and see if that stops her from continuously trying to scratch it off.

    Otherwise whenever she stops scratching say "yes" (or whatever marker word you are using) and treat. And just "yes" and treat as much as possible whenever she isn't trying to get it off.

    They usually eventually get used to them. Other possibility is to put it on just as you are about to give her breakky, lunch or dinner and feed her with it on. Might help her to make it a positive thing and she will be distracted by her food. This may only work on a dog with a high food motivation but worth a try.

    Just try doing as much positive stuff with her in it, play a game, give her pats cuddles etc so she associates it with positives and starts to get over it.

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    Dogs have to have a period of training/ habituation to wear head halters of any variety, usually. I'm absolutely not a fan of Halti's or the like, but you need to go right back to square 1 and reward Zoe for being calm in the mere presence of the Halti. Then reward successive small steps toward wearing it. Then only wearing it calmly for the briefest instant before you remove it... And so on. Make sense?

    But Zoe already pairs the Halti with unpleasantness, so this could be a bit of a hard thing to come back from. You'll need uber treats, and lots of them!!!

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    What V&F said.

    The head halters usually come with instructions that describe how to deal with this. The gentle leader I got, came with a whole DVD and it does pay to watch it before you try to use the halti.

    loads and loads of roast chicken....

    Or you can just put the halti on and leave the dog to rub / chuck a hissy fit for a while.

    Personally - I quit with the halti. It just didn't seem worth upsetting my dog that much when the front attach harness does the job for me. Tho when she gets into the possum poo at our dog club I sometimes reconsider - ie getting more control over her head would be nice.

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