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    Hi,

    Teaching remote drop has not been successful to my dogs and I am wondering if you can help me.

    When I do remote drop, my dogs run towards me and drop.
    I think this is because I use hand signal more than verbal....? How did you train your dog?

    My dogs do remote stop with about 70 percent success rate.
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    Do you use a long line? I first taught my dog drop and stay respectively, and built it up from really short distances, like 2 metres the first time. Establish sit-stay, then drop-stay. I use the commands in reverse, like stay-drop. Do they have release words like OK?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sierra View Post
    Do you use a long line? I first taught my dog drop and stay respectively, and built it up from really short distances, like 2 metres the first time. Establish sit-stay, then drop-stay. I use the commands in reverse, like stay-drop. Do they have release words like OK?
    Thanks Si.
    My dogs are good with sit/drop and stay. Minis is excellent in this (I made him stay I called my cat in and feed her which is at least about 5 minutes). I always use ok or come followed by good boys to release the command. I have not thought of stay and then drop. when you do that are you away from your dog? What advantage does that exercise have?
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    Hi hachna

    I'm working on remote drop with my dog too.

    First I start with close up work and making sure she understands both the verbal and hand signal cues. And I mix up sits, stands, drops. In one spot, giving commands from heel position or in front and very close. Lots of that.

    Then I put her in a sit, walk a little away eg 2m, and tell her drop. Or signal, Or both. And I walk back and reward her. Then I walk away and call her "come" and reward for the in front sit... and do a finish (or not - so she doesn't anticipate) and some more sit/drop/stands. And I do a few "come", "drop". From not very far 5m or less. So she's not likely to get distracted and do something else.

    But the main thing is she starts by dropping with in reach of treat. So sometimes I call her and run at her when I say drop - so she drops quicker. And sometimes if she drops a little bit further away - because she thinks I'm coming, or I was fairly close to start with - out comes the uber treat - currently garlic steak - instead of dog kibble or kitten kibble for the ones where she continues to approach.

    Most importantly I don't repeat the command if she doesn't do it right. If she's not doing the drop - I go back to very close drops, to make sure I know she knows the command.

    At the moment she really doesn't understand "stand" but we're working on it. It would be nice to have something besides "sit", "drop", "come" for her to do when I'm working at a bit of a distance.

    I also know she's going to drop and crawl when she greets a dog, so I say "drop" just before or as she does it and "crawl" as she does it.

    PS You also need to decide whether the word "stay" is redundant eg the dog should sit until you release her. Or drop until you release her or give her something else to do... But remotes with my dog are like "sit","wait" (cos I'm not necessarily coming back though sometimes I do and give her a treat for remaining), and then "drop" so she shouldn't move forward. Start very close so it's easy for her to get right. And build time or distance but not both at once, slowly.
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    Thanks Hya,
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    the word "stay" is redundant
    yes I must admit sometimes stay is redundant and sometimes very necessary. I think ideally i would love to see that stay to be redundant. (I think I will train dogs that way)

    I tried on shorter distance (in the hallway) with him with verbal and hand signal. He runs towards me (almost crawling). My hand "come" signal is always above shoulder and I must admit I am a little bit impatient (this is why I can never become a trainer).

    Do you think my oh stands next to him and make sure he drops not running towards me?
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    We do remote drops when we trial.........

    Firstly the drop has to be really good, whilst you are at heel and just standing with the dog at heel.

    Also the drop/ stay for whatever timing you want, even if you do not use the word "stay", the dog has to stay in the drop position when you leave. Whichever way you get it done.

    And ofcourse the dog has to stay in the sit command and the stand command

    we do the distance drop from stand, but from sit is even easier

    Slowly increasing the distance is the way we learned. We do use "stay" in trials. But it isn't necessary as the dog should stay ones the command for sit/stand/drop was given and you walk off. So we started initially right in front of the dog and just went further and further.
    If my dog would move towards me, I would just say "wrong" and put them without saying anything in the exact same spot. One of our dogs moved a lot initially, but the tediously putting back did help. We click any good positions and of course reward. Sometimes you can use the word "wait" if you see the dog might possibly move, with the flat towards the dog.......
    I use a hand signal and just say "drop".
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    Thanks Newfsie,

    I just had another try, and this time he got it right a few times in the end. I think I need to be patient.

    By trying this I and my partner could see why dogs can be confused. As usual we were not 100% consistent.

    I want my dogs to be perfect in this command as we had a tricky moment with a stranger at the park yesterday.
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    Yes it is all about practice and spending lots of time at it. I have spent hours on this, because of trialling. My problem with Annabelle is male Judges, I have to practice with all different men around. Every dog has a weakness.
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    Hi hachna

    Not much point in forcing the dog to do a drop, it just means the dog doesn't really understand what is being asked of it.

    So you stand next to dog and you get it to drop, and reward, have a little play, set it up again, drop, etc when it gets it right 3 to 5 times in a row, repeat - one step further away. After you've done 20 to 30 repeats, or five minutes, stop and do something else. Play some tug or fetch or doggy massage, or chase me (the owner) games, eg very short restrained recall eg OH holds dog, you call it and run away making excited squeally chase me noises as OH lets go dog. Loads of praise (and uber treats) if dog comes enthusiastically.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyacinth View Post
    Hi hachna

    Not much point in forcing the dog to do a drop, it just means the dog doesn't really understand what is being asked of it.

    So you stand next to dog and you get it to drop, and reward, have a little play, set it up again, drop, etc when it gets it right 3 to 5 times in a row, repeat - one step further away. After you've done 20 to 30 repeats, or five minutes, stop and do something else. Play some tug or fetch or doggy massage, or chase me (the owner games), eg very short restrained recall eg OH holds dog, you call it and run away making excited squeally chase me noises as OH lets go dog. Loads of praise (and uber treats) if dog comes enthusiastically.
    I agree, never force the drop.......we start with luring and go to positive reinforcement. but when the dog knows drop, I thought your dogs already knew the drop When dogs try to come to me you can take them back to where they left and put them back. i am very exact in putting them back in the exact spot.And in the same Stand/sit as i left them. i never yell at them, i just say "wrong" and do not reward it is very boring sometimes having to do that again and again
    My dogs are in the kennel Clubs Demo team and we love doing the walk along, say sit/stand/drop and keep walking. We form an arrow head with all our dogs, it looks really great. When we leave them in the arrow stand, we drop all our dogs from the start line, some of us are a long way away from the dogs.
    I am not too keen on trialing, because i get nervous and my dog has the rescue history of being worried about men. But i love obedience training. Annabelle loves the Demo Team work. We do different events and such, Love it

    This is a pic of the stand, before the drop.......Our Sergeant Major (hubby) is touching all the dogs on a run-by

    This is the drop arrow.....The two black dogs are ours, Annabelle is with me and Tessa is worked by someone else
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