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    This may sound wrong to you (It did to me when I first heard it) but when she goes inside it's important not to react, any reaction will reinforce her fear. Growling is a form of chastisement too.
    I dare say someone with good intentions has trained her by reprimanding her for going inside from a very young age. In many ways this is like reprimanding a 6 month old child for soiling it's nappy.
    Dogs remember things that happen to them at an early age and carry those early lessons for life, it's called imprinting. She could have been imprinted with fear associated with going inside and that will be hard to overcome.

    A few others will have other Ideas but I think you are just going to have to toilet train her all over and the only feedback she should get should be positive feedback for going outside.
    Like Newfsie wrote, keeping her close will be important so you can keep an eye on her, but with young children around it will be tough (I have young kids and they are very demanding)
    She sounds like she is a great pet so it will be well worth the effort.

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    Hi all thanks for the advice so far.

    I have now put her out side and her barking has settled and almost stopped competely so hopefully i can leave her outside at least when I am not home and eventually nights. As for inside i might try the umbilical system when she is inside. She loves being at my heel so i don't think she'll mind it
    And Bundy I will try not responing see if that helps too.
    Also a quick pic of our girl. She has allergy spots at the moment, another reason she is visiting the vet. You can see why we love her lol

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    I think you need to start again as you did when she was a pup. I would take her outside off leash and give the command, do this frequently, and especially after she has been fed.

    Do you have a crate? You could put her in her crate when she is inside and that doesnt allow her to go in the house. Take her outside at intervals and really make a fuss when she goes.

    I had to do this when one of my boys started marking and did so in the house. When he is in the house he is in the crate and I take him out to do his business. Eventually they get the idea and then they get the run of the house.

    I also have a dog door so they can get out when they need to go.

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    BUT, if she has been trained wrong, usually there is BAD DOG in a growly voice and then physical punishment, so she will most likely associate the growly voice with being whacked, so you need to stop the growling. It'll be just like toilet training a pup, when she goes inside and you catch her take her where she is to go, and praise her when she does go out there. DON'T scold her.

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    She is gorgeous!!!!!!!
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    I know Aussie lol I fell in love with her the moment i first saw her Photo. I had a choice between her and her Redcloud brother but there was just something that insisted it was her lol. Her current Issues are frustrating but i still think I made the right choice.

    Kalacreek that is currently what I am doing with her toilet training. As for the crate to behonest no I don't have one as I have never needed one. I use the Laundry like a crate tho.

    Brittany: that makes alot of sense. I keep forgeting some people 'disapline' there dogs with a slap. I will be trying to stop growling at her when she is naughty hope it will help some.

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    Quote Originally Posted by newfsie View Post
    When i got my Annabelle as a rescue newf at 14 month she was not properly house trained and I did the umbilical system with her. She was in the house with me on lead. I had a belt around my waist and where I was she was. it took about six weeks to properly toilet train her. It can also stem from some hierarchy issues, when a dog does not toilet train properly, so you need to figure out as to what the reason is. is it because she does not know any better or is it because she wants to be higher than someone in her pack.
    Annabelle was a bit of both so some strict rules of what she was allowed and not allowed and some NILIF plus the constant on lead and lots of praise when it was done out side fixed it.......Good luck
    This system of the umbilical cord works great but very few poeple have the pataince or commitment to finish it. I had to do it with Tori & although very tiring it was the only way i could stop a few of her habits.
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    I would also wait untill she is desexed & fully settled before I'd get too worried about it, not saying not to work on it though.
    She sounds insercure & is not sure yet where she truely stands within your household & may also fear you & all poeple in some situations.
    Is there other dogs or cats in your household?
    I would not just put her outside as that is just avoiding the issue not fixing it & a dog really dose miss out on alot of family interaction that they crave when an outside dog.
    I would deffently crate train her as it's helpful if you do need to start her toliet training all over again. Also insucure dogs often really love their crates as it give them a safe den like area that is all theirs.
    At the moment if you do catch her just put her outside in a way that avoids any eye contact & no speaking at all, just calmly taker her collar & lead her outside.
    I would nearly bet though that all it will take is getting her desexed & getting her feeling sucure & settled within her new home.
    Remember to keep the daily exercise & mental stimulation up to her though.
    Dogs make everyday life enjoyable...........

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    The only other animal she lives with is our tiny cat, who stays right away from her.
    I know she needs to settle in but the problem is getting more frequent as she settles in.
    As for putting her outside, She gets more attention than people would first assume. All I have to do is give my 3 year old a ball and let him loose in the back yard and they are both entertained for the day, all I need is a good book And I still will let her inside but she will have to go back out if she has an other accident inside. I would like to eventually have her sleep inside with us.

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    barking soda
    some typos are funnier than others...

    Back to the DragOncharm problem...

    I second what Newfie said (And Bundy) I would keep the kelpie on lead inside, for a few days (weeks), so she can't go where she wants. Attach the lead to you. If she won't go while on lead - bonus.

    And what Kalacreek said, get a crate, and put her in the crate when you can't have her with you on lead. She will be less inclined to go inside the crate.

    Add a few drops of lavendar oil (not essence, in supermarket near the soap section?) to a spray bottle of water and spray that over where you've cleaned up. Or Tee Tree oil. So the scent is not so exciting.

    Never yell at the dog for going inside. Just grab her and put her outside or distract her.

    If you can shut her outside or in the laundry while you clean up, is also a good idea.

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