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    Quote Originally Posted by Bundybear View Post
    Good point, it wasn't so much the dogs as the half hearted approach the owners had taken in their attempts at training.
    They did tend to use the treats as lures so they never really grasped the concept.
    Exactly, lures need to be faded very quckly! Unfortunately this sort of thing leads to many a misconception about what poistive reinforcement training really is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalacreek View Post
    Exactly, lures need to be faded very quckly! Unfortunately this sort of thing leads to many a misconception about what poistive reinforcement training really is.
    You know I think alot of training methods are very missunderstood in general & alot of damage is done not by such & such method but how the owner/trainer understands & follows out their choosen training method.

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    Victoria's Dominatrix look and sports car - is just for TV. I saw an interview with her and she said she'd be happy to rock up in jeans and a t shirt but the leather helps make her memorable and gives something besides dog training for some viewers to get excited about. Weird.

    I heard Jamie Oliver say the same thing about his first TV show and sliding down the banister in his jeans - he said it was something he did cos he was in a hurry and then the producer wanted it in every show - cost him a lot of jeans.

    PS the number one thing I've seen that stops a dog from doing what the owner wants - is complete lack of consistency on the owner's part. I know one dog, who is very smart - kelpie, loves chasing bicycles - owner never ever puts him on the lead when she spots the bicycle first, or after he's chased the bike, and she doesn't practice recall with him, so when she wants him back - he doesn't come.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyacinth View Post
    Victoria's Dominatrix look and sports car - is just for TV. I saw an interview with her and she said she'd be happy to rock up in jeans and a t shirt but the leather helps make her memorable and gives something besides dog training for some viewers to get excited about. Weird.

    I heard Jamie Oliver say the same thing about his first TV show and sliding down the banister in his jeans - he said it was something he did cos he was in a hurry and then the producer wanted it in every show - cost him a lot of jeans.

    PS the number one thing I've seen that stops a dog from doing what the owner wants - is complete lack of consistency on the owner's part. I know one dog, who is very smart - kelpie, loves chasing bicycles - owner never ever puts him on the lead when she spots the bicycle first, or after he's chased the bike, and she doesn't practice recall with him, so when she wants him back - he doesn't come.
    Very annoying when they say oh dumb dog in such situations as your've just described & I think no DUMB human, lol............

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyacinth View Post
    Victoria's Dominatrix look and sports car - is just for TV. I saw an interview with her and she said she'd be happy to rock up in jeans and a t shirt but the leather helps make her memorable and gives something besides dog training for some viewers to get excited about. Weird.

    I heard Jamie Oliver say the same thing about his first TV show and sliding down the banister in his jeans - he said it was something he did cos he was in a hurry and then the producer wanted it in every show - cost him a lot of jeans.

    PS the number one thing I've seen that stops a dog from doing what the owner wants - is complete lack of consistency on the owner's part. I know one dog, who is very smart - kelpie, loves chasing bicycles - owner never ever puts him on the lead when she spots the bicycle first, or after he's chased the bike, and she doesn't practice recall with him, so when she wants him back - he doesn't come.
    She would have to have a sense of humour with the look. I was usually too taken aback by some of the scenarios with the various dogs and their families to notice what she was wearing.

    Consistency is definitely a big part of the key. Lack thereoff is a very easy mistake to make. I have had to discipline myself to be consistent and not to try and take shortcuts.

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    I watched Victoria before I started watching Cesar (then they stopped playing Victoria on Foxtel). From what I watched though it seemed like Victoria took on a lot easier cases which just required the owners (who mostly seemed like idiots mind you) to realise that they lacked common sense and change their ways where as Cesar is more in depth and deals more with correcting dog behaviour.

    Honestly, I like them both and can see that both their techniques work with the cases that they take on.

    Watching Victoria use bacon scented bubbles on a couple of dogs made me search them out and buy them :P Only problem is that Suzie doesn't care about them (she loves the non dog safe chocolate scented bubbles from the supermarket though).

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    I like both Cesar and Victoria but dont really use any of their methods...maybe a bit of calm assertiveness but that is my natural state anyway so I was like that with them before I saw Cesar. And a bit of reward (small treats) training intially when teaching them to sit etc like Victoria.

    I think they both do good work with the dogs they are given. There are some things I wouldn't do...for example an alpha roll, I don't think it is necessary ever but that's in my house and what works in my house might not work in another as expectations are goign to be different for what the person wants out of the dog.

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    You now the Alpha Roll dose have it's place but it's a rare tool I'd ever use but have to say it has helped with certain dogs.
    But I would not advise anyone to do it without a lot of exsperaince in reading dogs & knowing what is really behind the behavour.
    I do not think many really know when or how to really acheive an alpha roll so therefore it should not be advertised as it was on Ceaser.
    I think it's another cause of taking each dog & situtation on it's own merits & sensibly using training methods you know you can follow through on & keep up.

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    Is there an option for neither? LOL.

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    I agree MTA. Victorias seems to have easier cases.
    Comparing the last episode of each show I saw, Victoria took on a 2 year old Dane that ruled the bed and growled when the owners tried to pull him off, was pushy in the kitchen at food time, and pooed in the house.
    Victorias fix was, more exercise for the poo issue, teaching the dog too basically just sit and stay in the kitchen door way, and then put barriers up on the bed so the dog physically couldn't get onto the bed, and to then teach him to sleep on his own bed.

    Cesar had an aggressive Chihuahua where if you sat on the couch with his owner, he would snarl with his hackles up. When anyone touched his owner, the Chi would attack, and almost caught Cesar a few times.

    From what I've seen, Cesar takes more aggressive cases, where Victoria takes dogs with lack of training.

    As for the alpha roll, I've never needed to use it, and I don't think I ever will, but I would be happy for Cesar to do it for me.
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