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    Quote Originally Posted by crazydog View Post
    How do you know this? Just wondering???
    He uses aversive methods most of the time and that's enough for me. The very fact that he separates dog's behaviour only by two things - dominance and submission tells me a lot about what he (doesn't) know.

    No dog should be treated the way he treated some dogs - f**ed up or not by someone.

    But that's for some other topic. I don't like his methods, period. There are trainers much more knowledgable and thorough than he is.
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    But none of what you've said tells me how you know Ceaser would agree with the kennel mentioned in this threads methods.
    There is alot more to his methods than just dominance & submission & I have talked in lengh with a trainer contected to him in states & have to say his methods do work on some dogs when nothing else seems to.
    I do not follow everything he dose training wise but really I do agree that if you let a dog be boss trouble will follow but you do not need to be cruel or mean to be the boss in your dogs eyes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazydog View Post
    But none of what you've said tells me how you know Ceaser would agree with the kennel mentioned in this threads methods.
    Maybe he wouldn't with some. But as far as I know, he quite easily uses choke chains, prong collars or e-collars so...

    I do not follow everything he dose training wise but really I do agree that if you let a dog be boss trouble will follow but you do not need to be cruel or mean to be the boss in your dogs eyes.
    I don't follow anything he does. I do agree with some of the things he says though, but other trainers will tell you the same. Dog will not be a "boss" if you train him and raise him properly. I agree some dogs are bolder and tougher but that doesn't make them dominant. Tough, persistent, assertive dog does not mean dominant dog, but in his case it almost always is. A dog will do what is most rewarding to him, that's how they function. If there's no one to teach him manners and to behave according to our needs and lifestyle, he will start to behave the way he wants, because he finds it rewarding. People many times subcontiously teach dogs bad manners (greeting a dog and acting happy when he jumps on them for example or cuddling and being protective too much so a dog starts to act protective over its source of comfort and security - us, couch). But that doesn't make a dog dominant as Cesar almost always suggests.
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    I totally agree about poeple unwittingly reward bad behavour & I really do not think just because a dog has no manners & is jumping up it's domanit as it's more likely to be a learned behavour. But there are dogs that are very domanit & I have to say some of Ceasers methods are invalable to me in rehabbing them & getting them into suitable homes. I am always willing to try new training methods but have to say I have the most succesful results on domanite & fearful agression using his metods.

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    After all of this,All I really need to state that I disagree that 'no dog' is naturally aggressive.zin the right place and in the right time with the right triggers....of cousre all dogs are aggressive and to say so is a tad short sighted said with the most politeness as well as meaning no atagomism whatsoever
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    I have to agree with you Choppa. All dogs have it and can react aggressive, just like we people get annoyed, angry or whatever. Any dog, even those calm, peaceful friendly that you might think woukld never bite can and will depending on circumstances.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChoppaChop View Post
    After all of this,All I really need to state that I disagree that 'no dog' is naturally aggressive.zin the right place and in the right time with the right triggers....of cousre all dogs are aggressive and to say so is a tad short sighted said with the most politeness as well as meaning no atagomism whatsoever
    Sorry, Choppa, but... huh? It might be me suffering Fridayitis (it is Fridy, right?)... or it might be the double negatives, but I'm honestly not quite sure what you mean to say.... (said also with politeness and an absence of antagonistic intent :-) )

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    are we talking aggression or dominance? because in my opinion a TRULY dominant dog very VERY rarely resorts to aggression to keep people in line. They have a natural confidence and air of superiority that can never be faked. When you are in the presence of a truly dominant dog you will know, and it can be quite .... overwhelming.

    Those dogs who turn to aggression to try and dominate 'usually' do it because they are unsure of themselves and so try to bluff their way into a top position.

    ... just throwing in my 2cents of what I've seen and learnt so far.
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    That would be the Steve at K9pro way of analysing dogs

    Alpha dog - just a look is enough, but can back it up with just enough force if it needs to.

    Beta dog - wanna be alpha - and usually the one doing all the carrying on - until the alpha dog squishes it.

    Omega dog - ultra grovel dog - does not care who is boss - won't fight for it - what Frosty is. Until she tells you to give up the tennis ball and let her sleep on your bed and you give in, and doesn't always come when called (although has been much better lately). Ie while she is a super soft grovel dog, she will happily take charge if you let her.

    I'm not sure it's so distinct as all that and fear aggressive dogs are something else again. And there are a few dogs for various reasons (maybe trained by idiots), want to and try to attack everything.

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    Sending a dog away for training is not ideal. You need to learn how to train as much as the dog itself needs to be trained.

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