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    If you are still reading Coley, do take heed, the site is glib crap, no decent trainer would even have a 5 month old pup started in anything other than obedience, nor could they yet know if it will have the nerve and temperament to be a stable protection dog as an adult, nor would they tell you that in one day you can learn to handle a protection trained dog, absolute bull XXXX.

    I have done quite a lot of protection and obedience training with my own dogs and never ever would I send a dog away, you need to learn just as much as the dog does, more in fact.

    It is like riding a bike, looks easy, but it take skills which you need to learn too, you also need an extremely stable dog and you need to see it trained and make sure it is not 'table' trained as others have told you.

    Learn a lot more before you commit to a trained dog, many dogs will protect naturally and all you need do is obedience.

    I doubt Cesar knows their reputation or he would not have been seen near them, he did have Daddy protection trained, but would not use methods even I who live hundreds of Ks away have heard they do use.
    Anyway, he trains people, not dogs, he only rehabilitates dogs, different thing altogether 8>)

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    I could never send my dog away for training! I am far too much of a control freak/worrier

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    Quote Originally Posted by Minibulls mum View Post
    I doubt Cesar knows their reputation or he would not have been seen near them, he did have Daddy protection trained, but would not use methods even I who live hundreds of Ks away have heard they do use.
    Oh yes he would. And he does.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fedra View Post
    Oh yes he would. And he does.
    How do you know this? Just wondering???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fedra View Post
    Oh yes he would. And he does.
    I did not say what I had heard Fedra so you do not know at all 8>)

    As this is a public forum and what I heard may not be correct I will not put it in writing.
    Cesar does NOT use the method,and would not, it is against all he does.

    I have watched a video of him rearing 4 pups to be stable dogs, he used no harsh methods on those pups, the only dogs he uses what you and others might think of as harsh methods are dogs out of control, not well reared and well trained dogs.

    The people who go to him have already made a mess of the dog, the option if he fails is ofen death.

    He is not a cruel man, if you cannot understand that he has saved more dogs lives than most shelters ever will then those of you who knock him do not understand what he is about.

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    For those who do not know what table training, which was mentioned briefly in a post early in the thread is.

    Quick explanation.

    No trainer worth half a button uses this method.

    Table training is used to try and make a weak nerved dog bite, the result is still a weak nerved, but now dangerous dog who has learnt that if under any sort of pressure he had best bite and fight his way out, for the torture will not stop until he does.

    To table train a dog he is tied either literally to a table so he falls of the edge if he tries to run, or tied in a corner or against a wall so he cannot run, he has to bite and fight his way out.

    He is tormented until he does, and learns to do this on command, later, if on lead or in his own yard, and given the option of flight or fight he will often cut and run, but if his perceived opponent is say, a small child he knows he can beat he may well tear it's face off (or if he is cornered he will bite)

    Some trainers will still use this method in spite of the fact that it is both cruel, dangerous and does not produce a true protection dog.
    Last edited by Minibulls mum; 12-29-2010 at 07:42 AM.

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    Yes it's very sad & i know for a fact some still use table training as a method.
    I think Ceaser is often misunderstood by some, I don't personally use all his methods but do find the idea behind his method dose work.

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    I don't know if any of these trainers use "table training" but it is a common? method to get a dog to be aggressive on command and it's fast. And could in some twisted sense be described as "not harsh" ie you're not beating the dog to a pulp with a stick or chain. It's the sort of training that would get you the dogs foaming and bleeding at the mouth as described on the website, in the way a more traditionally trained competition schutzenhund dog would not.

    I do think table training is cruel and can ruin a dog ie make it too dangerous to be a family pet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Minibulls mum View Post
    For those who do not know what table training, which was mentioned briefly in a post early in the thread is.

    Quick explanation.

    No trainer worth half a button uses this method.

    Table training is used to try and make a weak nerved dog bite, the result is still a weak nerved, but now dangerous dog who has learnt that if under any sort of pressure he had best bite and fight his way out, for the torture will not stop until he does.

    To table train a dog he is tied either literally to a table so he falls of the edge if he tries to run, or tied in a corner or against a wall so he cannot run, he has to bite and fight his way out.

    He is tormented until he does, and learns to do this on command, later, if on lead or in his own yard, and given the option of flight or fight he will often cut and run, but if his perceived opponent is say, a small child he knows he can beat he may well tear it's face off (or if he is cornered he will bite)

    Some trainers will still use this method in spite of the fact that it is both cruel, dangerous and does not produce a true protection dog.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyacinth View Post
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    I don't know if any of these trainers use "table training" but it is a common? method to get a dog to be aggressive on command and it's fast. And could in some twisted sense be described as "not harsh" ie you're not beating the dog to a pulp with a stick or chain. It's the sort of training that would get you the dogs foaming and bleeding at the mouth as described on the website, in the way a more traditionally trained competition schutzenhund dog would not.

    I do think table training is cruel and can ruin a dog ie make it too dangerous to be a family pet.
    Quite so Hyacinth, no stable dog does that foaming at the mouth thing except under extreme stress perhaps, but these people say they use no harsh methods.

    A properly reared and trained protection dog should be safe around crowds let alone a few people, he shouldnot attack for no reason.

    Kids should be safe around him, you should be able to take him to any off lead park and let him go amongst other dogs and people.

    I have bred dogs like this, and have seen others as well, they do not get that way from a week or two of training,to be then turned over to a novice, they are like that from proper training right from puppy-hood by both breeders and later,owners, and proper training plus of course genetics.

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