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    Why would you need to protection train your dog?

    Either your dog is a good guard dog, or it's not IMO.

    I have an excellent guard dog. He really looks like he would do something about someone coming onto our property. He goes berserk if someone hangs over the fence etc, snaps and snarls and jumps. However, if they were actually to get into the yard, the thing hed "do" would be lick and cuddle them. But he looks like he means business so it works as an excellent deterrant.

    IMO, dog are either naturally like that, or they arent. You just mess with them if you are trying to teach them something that isnt natural for them.

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    Would like to hear the OP's thoughts... Wondering if he or she has made a decision/ heard of a better alternative??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lala View Post

    IMO, dog are either naturally like that, or they arent. You just mess with them if you are trying to teach them something that isnt natural for them.
    Agreed, that's why you need a dog who has the genetics to back up the training. I am aware of so many cases of either wrong dog/ wrong owner/ wrong technique/ all of the above... One stands out; sent away by family to be trained ( do not know where training happened ) returned very badly damaged, waaaaaay too much of a handful to the family and surrendered for euthanasia. Dog now has forever home at a training facility, is worked regularly by expert trainers (all of whom have taken months to even get near the dog ) and is used as a training example for students at that facility. But don't feel all warm and fuzzy about it... This Dog's goal in life is to hurt people, no more no less. Bad genetics, inappropriate decision to train to bite, bad training technique, owners without the necessary experience and tools to cope with a very messed up dog. This dog is lucky, but he is 1 in 1000- the rest are PTS.

    Unless you have a real need for this type of dog, and one 'born and bred' to it as well as a lifelong partnership with you Dog's trainer ( and a reputable one at that ) .......

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    Definitely not for Joe Blow in my opinion.
    Why would the average person want this type of protection.....mmmmmm

    Some of those pic look a bit Mafia...oh I didn't say that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by molly33 View Post
    Definitely not for Joe Blow in my opinion.
    Why would the average person want this type of protection.....mmmmmm

    Some of those pic look a bit Mafia...oh I didn't say that.
    Lol, The Godfather dog...

    I think people misunderstand what it is to own one of these dogs. I know I did until I saw and experienced the dogs and the training and the responsibilities and ramifications with my own eyes. I'm not knocking protection/ security dogs, nor am I knocking the sport of Shutzhund or KPNV as done right the training can be exciting and rewarding for a genetically / temperamentally sound dog.

    But I had to immerse myself before I knew it would be one thing to work professionally with one of these dogs versus havingvone at home as a pet....
    Last edited by Villain & Flirtt; 12-26-2010 at 04:42 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coley_83 View Post
    Has anyone visited the website

    After a week obedience training and passing they are then tested again to see if they are suitable to continue further training.

    Once training complete I spend a day with trainer and dog to go over commands

    The dog will live with us for 12 months before doing training. It isn't as though I'm introducing a new dog to the house

    Would love to hear from trainers on here and maybe if they can give me price or match price for same work
    Yes I looked at the website. The more I looked at it, the less I'd like to send my dog there or recommend it to anyone. Are you trying to drum up business for them by getting us to all visit their website?

    Sure they can train for law enforcement but from discussions I've had with local police dog handlers, they train their own dogs from puppies. Same deal with top Schutzenhund competitors - not that I've met any of those around here (that I know of). The bond between handler and dog is extremely important. The level of training the handler has is also extremely important. There is no way you'd get that from sending the dog away.

    Very simple example: I visited my mum's place. My dog would not follow any of her commands but she will for me. Ie my mum has not spent any time training or working with my dog, so my dog ignores her commands. Still happy to follow my mum around in hopes of a treat or a bit of excitment but won't "sit", "come", "drop" etc.

    "going over commands" is not the same as "training" or knowing how to get the dog to do what it is told. Do you know what the difference between classical and operant conditioning is? Do you understand how important the relationship between handler and dog is?

    Why don't I like them based on their website.
    1. I don't like Cesar Milan's training methods and there he is on the front page.
    2. They don't say what methods they do use or why they're not "harsh".
    3. They don't train the handler
    4. You don't see what they do to your dog if you send it away.
    5. They say on their attack dog training that it is not a job for amateurs and yet they will sell their dogs to anyone - ie training doesn't end when the dog leaves their facility - it must be ongoing to maintain but do they ask for evidence of your professional dog training skills? If you had professional dog training skills why would you need them?
    6. "The angrier a dog gets the more he foams from his mouth. Even bleeding from his mouth is normal under these circumstances. Whilst this looks cruel, it is by no means cruel at all, the Dog is simply working hard!" - biggest pile of bull**** I've ever seen. And do you want a dog like this with your children?
    7. The award their video has won - is not from dog trainers but video producers - ie it looks pretty. It would have more credibility if it had an award from a dog training organisaiton.
    8. They say the dog never forgets its training. There is only one method I know that does this: you traumatise the dog.
    9. It's on the internet it must be true.

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    Could not agree more with Hyacinths post............
    Only thing is I do not beleive they are following any 1 other trainers methods & wether you like Cresar or not(I like some of his technics but not all, I find I am like that with most trainers methods & takes what I find useful from a large range of methods & trainers ) his methods alone would not produce these type of protection dogs as their training would have to be alot about drive & very strict obedaince & in my veiw Ceasars methods would not be enough. Maybe they use some of his ideas but I beleive there'd be alot more force, repatition,correcting with force & fear & pain based punishment & treats/ball/tug for rewards. Not a reciepe for a stable well trained dog in my books.

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    I've watched my fair share of Cesar Milan and he definitely wouldn't agree with training a dog to attack. I don't think the people who run that website ever spoke to Cesar about their methods, and I don't think that his PR team are aware of this site using his image to promote their services.

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    You know I just went back to have a look at that site again to see if it really was as bad as I thought the first time & my conculsion is it's even worse than I first thought,
    They have 5mt dogs advetisied as all but fully trained priced @ $5500..............
    WTF A dog has only just beguning to show their true strength & weakness at 6mths really, so how can they be already so on their way to being fully trained in any disapline @ 5mths.

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    What's the point sending it away for training? I understand sending "aid dogs" off for training but a dog to protect your family.. The dog will protect your family no matter what..

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