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    yes busy busy dogs............
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    Love the last photo!
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    I have a saying a dog with a job is a happy dog...........
    My Bubba got quite depressed when he was no longer allowed to be the farm guardain & I had to get him off the farm for awhile to get his mind of it. He is too old to walk the boundries of 1000ac 3 x a day like he used to & i was scared he'd collaspes somewhere & we would never find him as he used to push himself so hard.

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    Hi everyone, thanks for all the advice!
    So yes, I need to make sure I run her in the mornings as well as at night. And run rather than walk.
    I carried her over and introduced her to the horse again last night, she was still very nervous (looked away from me and the horse the whole time) but wasnt growling and carrying on. Will repeat again a few times tonight I think, it seemed to help alot and settled her down for a little while afterwards.
    So as for being timid, should I let her win tug of war? Will that help her confidence? I'm just worried that if I let her win will she'll start to think of herself as the leader and become more anxious during the day when I'm not there.

    She'll roll over and offer me her belly to scratch but for those times when she knows she's doing the wrong thing (and when I can catch her) what do people think of the alpha roll? Otherwise is there another, non intimidating way I can clearly express my displeasure? When trying to tell her 'No' or 'down' she often thinks it's a game and continues with it or runs laps of the yard, darting in and out towards me but staying out of reach, even when the tone of my voice makes things pretty clear (low, loud, growled 'NO!')

    Aussiemyf7; I often call her just to pat and play with her but unless I hold onto her or invite her into my lap then she comes just within reach, accepts the pat then quickly moves away again.
    Crazydog: Similar story when walking off lead, she can be well out ahead of me but not come back in when asked, I'll just quietly turn and walk the other way. When she realises she comes like a bat out of hell towards me and runs past, so she's in the lead again. I often do this without calling her, the idea being that she'll get in the habit of paying more attention to my position and staying close with more focus on me rather than her environment/distractions
    Hyacinth; Thanks for the link, have been reading up
    newfsie; beautiful dogs! they look very happy. unfortunately I dont have the stock for her to work! I know she'd be far happier in an environment like that.

    I know she's bored and I'd love to have a job for her to do unfortunately that's the way it is. She was from an unwanted litter and I didnt want to see her end up in a sack in a dam. Any suggestions for games I can teach her that she can play by herself during the day?

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    Kelpies don't need sheep, Lady is happy without them.
    This is after of 2 hour horse ride today.

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    Yes very true sheep are great but thier are alturnitives your kelpie will get just as much from.
    I would also hid treats & fave toys around the yard for her to find while you're at work. Some dogs really enjoy a platform to sit up high on & get to watch more of the neighbourhood from ofcourse not any good if she's only going to bark like mad at everything she sees. But I have seen dogs that I thought would bark up there be very calm & like to spend hours up there. Also if she likes to dig get a shell sandpit & fill 1 side with water & the other with sand. To encourage her to use the sand swallow bury her fave toy & some treats/bones. If she enjoys tug some dogs can be shown how to play tug with the tug tied to a rail/tree therefore no needing anyone to hold it.
    With really timid dogs you need plenty of patience & not want to push things to far to fast. With the recall your saying she comes but will stay just out of reach right? Well I would be leaving a short lead tied to her when of leash. I would also work on your on lead heel while doing turns & sits, keep her in heel position. Teach her that when she comes to you she is to heel & sit while on the long line/cord/leash. Always rewarding her for coming & sitting beside you even when just sitting around in the backyard. The end result will hopefully be that when you call her she comes in & sits beside you & looks at you waiting to hear whats next. You really have to look for chances to reward the behavours you want & totally ignore[whenever possible] the behavours you don't want.

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    If she's ball mad(as most Kelpies are), you could buy one of 'backyard tennis' things. That might keep her busy for a while? Maybe? Im not sure if she would be able to make it spin around by herself though...
    Dunlop Height Adjustable Backyard Tennis - Kmart Online Retail

    As CD said, hiding treats and toys, also huge bones can keep them busy.
    Also some dogs like fruits, you could try freezing those or buy a Kong.
    One of our members made a sand pit for her dogs to dig in and shell pools are also fun for water babys.
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    With tug of war it is not about winning or losing it is about sharing a game. I give and take, I dont measure if my dog wins or loses, I adjust my pull so that the tug is always engaged.

    Alpha roll is not the way to go. I think at the moment displeasure could be counter productive. It is more about really reinforcing what you like. My timid kelpie also liked to keep just out of reach or ducked away as soon as I petted her. Shouting at her is more likely to cause anxiety and make her keep out of reach.

    I would start working on heeling with her on leash, that is what I am currently doing with mine, encouraging her to look me in the eye and rewarding her when she does. I am also teaching her to touch my hand with her nose. I also run with her at my side on leash and reward her for doing that and do lots of direction changes. You can also do on leash recalls and recalls to heel, which will prevent her rushing past you. You just have to keep repeating these behaviours, dont get cross or frustrated, just keep setting her up so that she will be successfull. It is going to take a bit of time.
    With the horse I would put her on the lead and staying at a distance where she is not nervous reward her for looking at the horse and then back to you. At the moment she is trying to avoid any interaction as you force her up close. Dont encourage too much familarity with the horses as horses can kill a dog if she suddenly decides to chase it. Encourage her to acknowledge and then ignore it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalacreek View Post
    With tug of war it is not about winning or losing it is about sharing a game. I give and take, I dont measure if my dog wins or loses, I adjust my pull so that the tug is always engaged.

    Alpha roll is not the way to go. I think at the moment displeasure could be counter productive. It is more about really reinforcing what you like. My timid kelpie also liked to keep just out of reach or ducked away as soon as I petted her. Shouting at her is more likely to cause anxiety and make her keep out of reach.
    Yes never shout at a timid dog & really I see no reason to shout at any dog in an aggrisive manner. Alpha roll is not about shouting totally oppisite actully.
    I would start working on heeling with her on leash, that is what I am currently doing with mine, encouraging her to look me in the eye and rewarding her when she does. I am also teaching her to touch my hand with her nose. I also run with her at my side on leash and reward her for doing that and do lots of direction changes. You can also do on leash recalls and recalls to heel, which will prevent her rushing past you. You just have to keep repeating these behaviours, dont get cross or frustrated, just keep setting her up so that she will be successfull. It is going to take a bit of time.
    Yes staying calm is most important & do not get too upset with the set backs along the way.
    With the horse I would put her on the lead and staying at a distance where she is not nervous reward her for looking at the horse and then back to you. At the moment she is trying to avoid any interaction as you force her up close. Dont encourage too much familarity with the horses as horses can kill a dog if she suddenly decides to chase it. Encourage her to acknowledge and then ignore it.
    You need to have her energy drained before any training as then she will listen alot better.

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    I think the alpha role is pretty obsolete as far as training goes and certainly not appropriate for timid dogs.. and no it doesnt have anything to do with shouting, but shouting isnt useful either a means of expressing displeasure. Two separate actions not suitable for timid dogs.

    I am not sure about draining her energy first before training, I think it depends on you and the dog. I usually have a short game of tug first and then get straight in to training, using the fresh energy to work with but that is how I like to train. Train play, train play in that sort of cycle. The dog then becomes primed for a training session and heads out really look forward to it.

    With my BC I will somtimes burn energy before I train him on sheep.

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