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    Thank you kalacreek I am finding neddie has already learnt almost that he needs to sit before I open the door and he isn't to move. Not perfect, but learning quickly. As in the car he often sits now before I open the door and stays til I allow him to jump out. I've been practicing that one for a while as it can be dangerous him jumping out before I am ready for him.

    Thank you Newfsie for sharing your story with me. It really gives me hope that I cam help neddie. I got a little concerned when I saw him growling at my sisters children the other day just once and only for a sec, but it made me realize I really need to work out what is going on inside his head. He loves children, licks them, doesn't mind being patted or cuddled. So was confused. I think he was also getting tired.

    It is so reassuring and good to hear so many positive stories. I know he isn't broken after all. I will let you know when I take him to see someone and how it goes

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    Quote Originally Posted by newfsie View Post
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    I went to a vet behaviorist.....utter sh...t she was. She charged a tonne and in the end told me to crate my dog at all time, if not on leash and after the second visit to put her down. In tears i tried to find someone else. i went to our Obedience Club and struck the worst person there, who said "we do not deal with aggressive dogs" (since have met wonderful helpful people there). Went to the phone book and found Scott......he was our saviour. he told me it would cost both time, dollars and commitment. I told him I would do anything to help her and from there we went.
    Yeah I had a similar experience - behaviourst told me my dog was extreme and didnt help at all. I also found a fab trainer after that.

    Fortunately our dog club was great and we were often dealing with problem rescue dogs, some who made great progess, including my extreme dog.

    Time and committment is the key, there are very rarely any shortcuts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalacreek View Post
    Yeah I had a similar experience - behaviourst told me my dog was extreme and didnt help at all. I also found a fab trainer after that.

    Fortunately our dog club was great and we were often dealing with problem rescue dogs, some who made great progess, including my extreme dog.

    Time and committment is the key, there are very rarely any shortcuts.
    That last comment about time & committment is so true...............

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazydog View Post
    That last comment about time & committment is so true...............
    I think I often forget that it requires time and commitment. I expect him sometime to do it once and then remember, but he is learning and I will keep teaching over and over.

    Another question does anyone know how to tell your dog when to do it's business when not to? I have read you can train them to go when you tell them to?

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    Yes all mine are trained to go on command. Choose a command word and then when you know your dog is likely to want to go, take him outside and stand there saying the word. I say Go wee wees or Go poo poo and when the dog produces I reward. You have to do it consistently. Easy with pups because they go quite frequently. Can be done with an older dog.

    If I am going out and want to shut dogs in house I do that before I go. If they really dont need to go they will wander around for awhile and I then know that they dont want to go and leave it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fitnhealthy View Post
    I think I often forget that it requires time and commitment. I expect him sometime to do it once and then remember, but he is learning and I will keep teaching over and over.

    Another question does anyone know how to tell your dog when to do it's business when not to? I have read you can train them to go when you tell them to?
    With the toliting on command just pick a work[I use wees] & say it when he pees & reward him. So to start you have to catch him weeing where you want & say your key work then treat. The more you do this the more he understand key word means time to tolit. It takes time but works for me.
    I too have a story simalar to newfies, I toke on a 6yr TM imported bitch that had been from her breeders to quarrintine in wales to quarrintine in aus to WA[where she was kenneled full time & started to have real fear aggresion issue among other probs] to VIC then to me in NSW so in short she had been moved around alot. She hated men & was very nervous of the pack & could go from nothing to a full blown attach on another dog over very little.
    I have had her over 2yrs & she is much better but still needs to learn to not attack strange men[ although now she just barks & bails no biting]. It has been a very long road & many trainers etc but I did find she works better for me than other trainers. I will write more later as am on my way out the door but just wanted to say many said she was unfixable & I am not saying she will ever be 100% but she has come a very long way.I will write what exercises we did for certain behavours when I get home for you.
    Her name is Tori & she loves my son & they have developed a very strong bond. Poor girl looks a little strange as she lost most of her teeth trying to chew out of her kennel in WA. Pic attached of Tori & Lockie my son.
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    Beautiful dog crazydog and your son and Tori look very comfy together.

    It would be great to hear what exercises you did. I have been saying do wee whenever he goes, but I will start treating him as well.

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    I think you have to use a word or phrase you don't use much in any other situation. I use "we" for lots of things so I don't want to use it for dog toileting.

    I use "5hitnapiss" but I've heard of people using the names of their favourite politicians eg "Idi Amin" or "Paul Keating" or just whistling - if you can whistle a reliable tune. You don't want to use the same tune as for "come here".

    I can't make her go but at least she knows what I want her to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazydog View Post
    That last comment about time & committment is so true...............
    Yes we definitely spent a lot of time and commitment on our dogs and still do.
    Pets are forever

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    Yes fitnhealthy is right makeing it a very unquic sound helps, when I say wees I prenounce it as weeeezz. I can not get all mine to tolit on comand but all the poodles do it well & the others with differeing sucess.
    With Tori I drove a full day & 1/2 days drive each way to pick her up so at least by the time I got home with her we had started to bond & she did trust me fairly well considering. The lady that had her in VIC had done alot of work with her & had her living in the house with her young show TM as she realized how the kennel seemed to scare her so. But she had her whole own show & breeding pack & knew Tori needed something different. Tori was close to her & her husband so we knew it was going to be unsettling to move her but hopefully the best for Tori in the longrun. I also toke my young 1yr female TM Pearl with me & her & Tori seemed to get along well from the start. That was to be a godsend.
    When we got home Tori was quiet & very wary. At first I only introduced her to the big dogs & that went fine but no one really knew how she'd go with little dogs & we knew she was VERY hard on cats. She was vey interested in them & started to sort of stalk them but once she saw Pearl & Bubba interact with the little dogs she seemed to get they where part of the pack. All seemed to be going so well but then my dad walked out welllllll, I very quickly clipped the lead back on. Even once I got her to settle everytime he moved or talked she'd start barking & lunging at him. OH ****!! Well I desided considering the trip we had just had we would not push it tonight so I waited for a chance to end on a good note[her sitting quietly] & toke her over to my place. She was VERY clingy to me by then so I set a bed up next to me & thought tomorrow is a new day.
    The next day we found out it was not just my dad but most males & that given a chanse she was running away barking & alot more scared of them then anything. I also learnt she loved certain food & therefore I could use treats in training something that not all TM's will do. So from then on the bulk of her food was feed through treats deleivered by the men of the family. This worked well as long as she did not get too much food any other way as then she would not take it from them, lol. At the same time I was doing some general obedaince with her & taking her into town & walking her near different poeple & dogs.She stopped her straight out aggression but everytime she heard dad's voice inside she'd go nuts barking outside yet if she was inside with him nothing. She also started to to chase chooks, well Bubba stoped that he caught her mid chase put her on the ground & growled at her & grabbed her necked twice. she was very bashful when let up & I realized maybe the dogs could help me with the male thing too. So I started getting dad to pat Bubba & Pearl & not her unless she came up for it. Within days she was alot better with him. To this day though she will occasionly bark when she hears him inside & she's out but not really aggresivly & I often wonder if it's a bit of a game these days.
    She used to get very stressed by any change in her routine & stop eating well. I toke her to a trainer that I had to travel an hr each way for & it was terrible. I tried to tell her Tori did not need a chock chain & it would only make her go into her shell. She kept insisting but i refused & she was pissed. Tori was doing everything asked[she had been shown so was well behave & had basic training] & I was trying to say I really needed to talk about ways to address the anixety & she was still scared of men she just did not true an attcked family members anymore. But she was so stuck on getting Tori's stay spot on so in the end I walked out with her yelling abused at me. And then if thing could get any worse some guy step out from behind a tree in the carpark & to Tori he was the boogy man & she lunged at him barking like crazy. I grabbed her by her collar & shoved her in the car whilst repeatently saying I'm so sorry & that women actully came up to my window & said take her straight to the vet she is dangerous. Great help ah............
    Well luckily I had a friend doing a training course in clicker training & although I had used it before[other dogs] I decided this time I would be more dedecated & do some clinics & learn as much as I can. Well i can say it worked wonders for Tori, I still use it with her in stressful situations. And put the training to use daily with her & others but do use other methods more with the other dogs probley just from habit.
    I fully recomend learning clicker training & you can learn it from books or someone else who uses it[just the trainers are good at picking up on bad timing etc].
    These days Tori is still not 100% with strange men but nothing near the intensity of before & all other behavours seem to be gone. She also used to start fights when over excited but that stopped as soon as I had the anxiety under control.
    I have probley left out bits but thats some of Tori's story.

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