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    I am very worried about the posts I have been reading about rough play & dogs with generally bad manners. I must say no wonder so many dogs end up in shelters as their owners are setting them up for bad behavour, I would like to hear others opinions on this.

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    Your post is seriously way too general to even answer.

    'Rough play' for a start is very subjective as everyone has different ideas of what it actually is.

    And what is your interpretation of 'bad manners'?

    People will dump their dogs at pounds for any number of reasons, some couldn't even be bothered giving a reason. Sadly I don't see that ever changing.

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    Oh I just saw the thread that Lala started and can see where you are coming from now.

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    Its usually the bigger dogs that get dumped for bad manners.
    Small dogs with bad manners is seen as funny or cute a lot of the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aussiemyf7 View Post
    Its usually the bigger dogs that get dumped for bad manners.
    Small dogs with bad manners is seen as funny or cute a lot of the time.
    It makes me so worried because there are so many little dogs that end up in rescues etc & have such bad temperment issues they are nearly immpossible to rehome. What really worries me is there is so much talk about cool tough looking breeds these days & I think more & more of the bigger breeds are getting mishandled.
    I think alot of poeple are over looking a dogs basic needs to know where it belongs with in the pack, regular exersice & mental stimulation.
    I can not start to count the amount of "problem dogs" that where just bored crazy & had no idea of personal space & how to behave in public. If their owners had just made the time to commit to a few basic rules for the dog that all followed & get the dog out & about on a regular basis they would not have ended up with the ill mannered, dog aggressive/shy unhoused trained dog they no longer want. This said dog will go on to need countless hours work before rehoming can even begin.

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    It depends on what you class as ruff play. We get on the ground and wresle (sp?) with Griffen which involves alot of pushing and shoving and I'm sure some people would say we shouldn't do this.
    We're always the one to start and stop the game and teeth are never aloud to be used, if he does the game stops.
    Of cause I wouldn't do this with just any dog in fact I wouldn't even do it with my other dog as for her it would be too ruff.

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    Bordeaux,
    You sound like you take your individual dogs personality & training into account & therefore I doubt you'd being doing any harm. It is the mouthing play with immature dogs that worries me more. And 1 thing on it's own probley no big deal for most dogs but when there's rough play that allows mouthing/biting, no general house rules & lack of obedaince training that I feel can combine for a terrible outcome for dog & owner.

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    That makes sence.
    Given Griffens size I've been very carefull to make sure he knows his boundarys. Of cause my smaller dog does to but I know if I played the same way with her she would get over excited and nip and thats not on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazydog View Post
    I am very worried about the posts I have been reading about rough play & dogs with generally bad manners. I must say no wonder so many dogs end up in shelters as their owners are setting them up for bad behavour, I would like to hear others opinions on this.
    IMHO rough play is only one factor, and a small one at that. I tend to believe that dogs with bad manners often are the product of homes where the ratio of exercise and discipline (and I dont mean the application of punishment, I mean the application of clear, firm, consistent boundaries) to affection is around the wrong way. In my experience the dogs that get far too much affection and who are treated like human members of the household are often the ones with the worst manners. (The SWF's that run out towards other dogs barring teeth and are picked up and cuddled by their owners who say "Oh, snuggie wuggie, you are such a baaaaaaaad dog for being just so mean to that horrible (insert your dog here)... Come inside, I keep you safe..."

    I'm not a big Cesar Milan fan, but I do believe he has it right when he says "excercise, discipline then affection".

    I play rough with both my dogs (Dobes) as a part of their training. Their motivational play training reward is a big, bad, boisterous game of tug which involves the whole body. When teeth come into play (even if accidentally), the game stops immediately, but it's fast, rough and I'm always panting and sweating when we're done- and my dogs LOVE hearing the command "training!". I even let them win- quite often in fact. And yet, I am often complimented on my dogs' quite obvious respect for me because I run my pack like a pack... and I even think my dogs are happier and better mannered for it.

    Uhhhhhhh.... is that what you were looking for?

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazydog View Post
    I am very worried about the posts I have been reading about rough play & dogs with generally bad manners. I must say no wonder so many dogs end up in shelters as their owners are setting them up for bad behavour, I would like to hear others opinions on this.
    It would be quite useful to put a link on a post you are reffering to. I for instance don't know what you mean.

    On the other hand - what is rough? What is too rough? Dogs play, and dogs sometime play rough and personally, as long as they're in control, have good social skills I don't see any problem. If you see my dogs playing you'd probably think they gonna kill each other Lots of teeth, jumping around, lots of different noises, lots of rumble-tumble. Yes, they play rough.

    It is absolutely essential to allow dogs to play how they want to play, especially when they're young. Through play, dogs learn their social skills, bite inhibition, they learn their limits, they learn how to communicate, they learn how to establish their rank - no human can do it ever! The worst possible thing one can do is deprive their puppy of such experience. If you're afraid, let them play with dogs their size or age. But do let them play.

    Human manners are different from dog's manners and they generally do not apply to them. You can teach them how to behave politely in our society, but you can't take dog out of them
    Respect and you shall be respected. Animal is always right.

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