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    Tina, I don't think you are really understanding.
    You got her 2 weeks too early. If she was with her litter, she wouldn't be having any training at all apart from natural life skills.
    The fact that you have already started has given her a head start. As Kala, TahsSunny and I am trying to say, is that you can't expect her to be perfect. Or anywhere near perfect.
    I got Roly when he was 8 weeks, and he is well trained. I got Lady when she was 1 and she is the most intelligent dog I've ever met, no joke!
    Zoey is a Border Collie, she will pick things up very quickly once she largens(word?) her mental capacity. Teaching her not to bite and toilet training her should be your main focus. Sit, drop, stay etc. should be 2 minute exercises you do every so often, and not freak out and get frustrated when she can't do it perfectly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tinaisback100 View Post
    well am i allowed to at least train her a bit most puppies get learnt early and cause i got her at 6 weeks i have to train her and thxs for the hjelp of walking her on the leash
    It is absolutely true that the earlier you train, the more permanent the learning. Between 8 weeks (because that is when the vast majority of people get their puppies) and 16 weeks (a developmental milestone) is THE timeframe when the best and most permanent learning takes place. After 16 weeks you can still teach a dog many many many things, but the learning will be less permanent than before 16 weeks. So this is the time to teach basic foundation pack behaviours- paying attention to you, her leader, settling when you ask, going outside to relieve herself, and recognising her name, allowing herself to be handled- feet, ears, mouth, teeth... every other behaviour taught at obedience builds on basic skills. If you start with the sit, stay, drop, drop to sit now, you're trying to do part 2 without doing part 1 first! Like making a pizza without a base

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    As Myf and others have said very, very wisely, in the last two weeks you've had her, she should really have been with her mum and littermates, so even though you're getting a "head start" on human training, she's behind in her natural dog skills.

    You need to let her be a puppy. If you have to train her, keep it to 1-2 minutes maximum a few times per day. My preference would be to "catch" her being good voluntarily and reward her when she does something you want. You dont have to limit this to sit, stay, come etc, use it for looking at you, settling in her bed well, peeing outside etc.
    Also start a NILIF (Nothing In Life Is Free) program. This means you only reward her when she has done somthing. No treats for just being a cute puppy! Also limit the pats and cuddles... if you want to pat and cuddle her, call her name... when she comes to you, you have just practised a recall, she's done it and you reward with your attention. No pressure on the pup, and you are showing her clearly what kind of behaviours you expect as her pack leader as well as making her work for something she wants.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tinaisback100 View Post
    so should I just keep training her to sit until she knows it very well?
    Yes but dont drill her. Get her to sit before you feed her for example and at times during the day. Same with the down. Once she knows the word you might like to add a hand signal. That can come in useful if she is one day at a distance and you need her to drop quickly. Just stick to the basics. I would also do some gentle lead training to get her used to the lead.

    That is all you need to do for now. Also you might like to reward her when she looks at you, this teaches her attention and to watch your face. You can do this at any time - just capture that behaviour when she does it.

    The other important one is recall, really reinforce this one. I reward heavily for coming when called.

    Also make sure you start socialising her with different people and friendly dogs in a safe environment, to avoid problems later.
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    so do guys think that maybe i should just teach her behavior skills like not to bite, tolit training her and all that, because during the time i teach her that im also training her to sit and down and all that for 5 mins. Should i cut it down to 2 mins. So mayb i should start teaching her at 9 weeks. Does that sound better or just teach her sit eveyday for 2 mins.

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    Tina, what's the hurry? Training isn't something you 'get done' it continues for life to a greater or lesser extent....

    I'm sorry if this is an intrusive question, but are you getting pressure to get Zoey trained?

    Take some time to learn how to be a good leader for Zoey, the rest will fall into place if you go one step at a time. Build a good foundation for her- Border Collies are incredibly smart. With a good foundation and good leadership, you'll have a great dog for life 

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    You need to be toilet training her now. This just involves taking her outside frequently, having a word and praising her when she performs. Socialising is good because there is a window up to 16 weeks that is the critical time to do this.

    Asking her to sit for her dinner is very simple. But dont make her wait yet. Getting her used to her collar and lead, praising her when she comes to you, praising her for looking at you. These are all very simple life skills that can be done without too much pressure and should be well within a BCs capability. Mine certainly learnt all this with ease as a pup.

    2 minutes is more than sufficient - a couple of sits is all you require at this point.

    Handling is also good as already mentioned- feet, ears etc. Very gentle. This helps later on if she needs her nails clipped or needs to be handles at the vet. Get other people to gently handle her too.

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    Personally, the only thing I do with my puppies at that age is toilet training and getting them to learn their name and come to it.

    Except for Chevy who by the time she was 8 weeks could already sit, lie down and stay (she was a freak of nature and I got her waaaaaay too early, she was 5 weeks - I didnt know any better then as I was only 17)

    Was quite funny because we started puppy preschool aroudn the time she was 8 or 9 weeks and I already had an obediant puppy. Made me a little self concious actually seeing all the other puppies just being babies but Chevy loved to learn tricks and do them over and over. And never for treats....always for a pat and some praise.

    Shame none of my other dogs have repeated that LMAO

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    With the tolit training shes not going to be an inside dog shes going to be a outside dog we are going to start getting her to sleep outsaide when she is 10 weeks at the moment she is 8 weeks. We are also thinking of taking her to puppy pre-school but I'm kinda scared if she does not like dogs (The dog I had before her attacked dogs). I'm not a old person as you can see I'm 11 and don't worry my parents see everything I post and who I talk to. But guys don't you think 2 mins is short.

    And we are still haveing trouble with the biting so during the time of training her we are also teaching her behavior skills.

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    Toilet training is still handy to have especially if you go places with her. I teach all my dogs to go to the toilet on command.

    A well run puppy school will not allow your pupy to have a bad experience and will help your dog socialise with other dogs and people.

    The fact you had an aggressive dog before is exactly the reason you should take her. She needs to meet other dogs in that important socialisation period up to 16 weeks. If you do this with her she is much less likely to be dog or people aggressive. Dogs are not so easy to socialise if they miss that period up to 16 weeks. It really is very important.

    No 2 minute is not to short, but you can do it several times during the day. The biting you can do at any time especially when you are playing with her.

    At 11 it is very good that you are asking all these questions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tinaisback100 View Post
    With the tolit training shes not going to be an inside dog shes going to be a outside dog we are going to start getting her to sleep outsaide when she is 10 weeks at the moment she is 8 weeks. We are also thinking of taking her to puppy pre-school but I'm kinda scared if she does not like dogs (The dog I had before her attacked dogs). I'm not a old person as you can see I'm 11 and don't worry my parents see everything I post and who I talk to. But guys don't you think 2 mins is short.

    And we are still haveing trouble with the biting so during the time of training her we are also teaching her behavior skills.
    Toilet training is still good. If you ever go anywhere she needs to be inside, she will need to know to go outside.

    Personally, I think 10 weeks is still too little to sleep outside but that's just a personal preference (my dogs dont sleep outside at all but the big one has in the past).

    I didn't realise you were only 11!! I thought you were young but not that young - my daughter is 11 too! Good on you for asking lots of questions, I think that is fantastic.

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