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    It's a tool I have considered when she is offleash...though ATM I was just looking at the pro's and con's of it (as she is still young)...hence why I wanted some advise from someone who knows about it..rather than from someone who just has "their own rules".

    I am keen to ask for advise and love to hear responses (that are from open minded ppl)...I'm certainly not new to obedience training and trials...my last dog got up to her CDX title aswell as her AD title twice over....However my new girl is a completely different dog and my situation is also very different now I have children to also care for....I can't train when the kids are with me as they are a big distraction to my dog...therefore I can't train her as much as I probably "need" to.
    Saying that...I do not mean that I am going to go out and get a training collar because I want a "quick fix"...I am simply doing my research and weighing up my options

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    "My rules" are not "my rules" - they are as always to the best of my knowledge. I am obviously outdated - good thing Steve joined to correct me. I assume there are different laws in NSW and QLD so I would be interested to know how they are worked with. e-collars are a tool, they can be effective.

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    Fabulous! we are back on track

    Thank you k9force, your experience and guidence is greatly appreciated

    I agree Ozeymum, there are many training methods that can be explored by dog owners. Each to their own, it is very much an individual thing.

    The most crucial aspect is that you seek advice from a qualified and well respected trainer who can guide and support you in finding the most effective and beneficial method for you, your dog and your family.

    I for one really enjoy learning more and more re training methods from sought after profesionals and always keep an open mind. It is how i learn....

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    O: I have looked and cannot find anything about the laws in QLD (no time to search further atm - google is against me today), however let us hope that no untrained person anywhere gets their hands on a collar.
    K9: You wont find any because there are none, meaning 100% legal. I was asked to sit on a board a while ago (I agreed) that was going to set one set of laws Australia wide, best idea.

    It would have meant that people would have to undertake training to use one, not sure why but the idea of the board fell over. I think some people selling the collars were against it.

    You wouldn't have to be an expert as such, I can train people to use a remote collar very effectively in one lesson, it isnt rocket science when my method is used.

    OM: I am keen to ask for advise and love to hear responses (that are from open minded ppl)...I'm certainly not new to obedience training and trials...my last dog got up to her CDX title aswell as her AD title twice over....However my new girl is a completely different dog and my situation is also very different now I have children to also care for....I can't train when the kids are with me as they are a big distraction to my dog...therefore I can't train her as much as I probably "need" to.
    Saying that...I do not mean that I am going to go out and get a training collar because I want a "quick fix"...I am simply doing my research and weighing up my options
    K9: If you email me or I could post some here, you will be able to read the success of hundreds of people that I have trained to use remotes to overcome training difficulties.

    They are very fast & whilst some don't like the idea of a quick fix, I love it!

    Band aid cures I am not so keen on though.

    Training with the remote is very much faster than any other method / tool.

    Having said that all of the programs (even those that have no connection with e collar training) I use are very much self designed & they are meant to yield big changes in dogs over night with very little work from the handler / owner.
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    K9: Just wanted to add that, over & above every tool & or method, the best training advantage to have is being your dogs pack leader.

    You can train a dog without being a pack leader, but when you are the pack leader, training becomes easy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by k9force View Post
    K9: Just wanted to add that, over & above every tool & or method, the best training advantage to have is being your dogs pack leader.

    You can train a dog without being a pack leader, but when you are the pack leader, training becomes easy.

    Absolutly agree!
    I AM the pack leader here over hubby, kids, pets, family, neighbours...LOL

    BUT come an offleash park, beach anything PLAY and my girl wears earplugs

    If you met and worked with me...you would see that I know what direction I am going in, know what I want, and have no probs with being a leader...just a matter of Candy knowing the diff between play and training ( I DO use diff collars for play and training)..ATM I'm happy for her to be an outgoing, social, playful pup..BUT she also has to know her place...eek!!!(this is where I need a new stratigy..or tool). If I had 100% time for training Candy...I wouldn't need other tools...but as 'most' ppl know..things change as life goes on and ppl have families..and I need to aquire a bit more help with tools.
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    Steve - as you know I am always pack leader - wouldn't be able to live happily with three dogs and rescues and interlopers if I wasn't. What are the logistics of working between states? Can a person prescribe an e collar without seeing a dog? You said you have packages that you can send to train people, but how can you be sure of their situation? Sorry - lots of questions, getting my head around a few things as always.

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    BUT come an offleash park, beach anything PLAY and my girl wears earplugs
    K9: There are a number of ways to overcome this, some take more work/consistency than others but the remote collar is by far the best / easiest there is.

    Sometimes life just gets in the way of the best plans & kids can be the biggest absorber of spare time there, is, well mine is lol. So any advantage we can get can be a godsend.

    O: What are the logistics of working between states? Can a person prescribe an e collar without seeing a dog? You said you have packages that you can send to train people, but how can you be sure of their situation? Sorry - lots of questions, getting my head around a few things as always.
    K9: Ok all good questions, say your working in Victoria I am here in NSW. I cannot give you permission to use the collar but I can work in unison with the vet who examines the dog & states that it is healthy & there is no medical reason to use the collar.

    That gets over the legalities how ever, most people just use remotes without concern for the law.

    We warn them that it is a their own risk but I guess as no one has ever been prosecuted, I guess they feel 100% control of their pet is better even f it means breaking a law.

    The packages usually include people sending me video & sometimes me sending them video so I can see what is going on.

    I also have trainers in most states that if we strike something unusual, I can have them pay a visit to the person having trouble.

    We have packages on Loose Leash walking, Advanced Training with the remote collar, Training in Drive etc.

    I have ran over 500 packages both here in Australia & over seas in such countries as PNG, New Zealand, USA, Germany & the UK all with great success.

    Some people are running Distance Programs who live just around the corner because they don't have to join the cue for a lesson or a private consult.

    We have had people run the Training in drive package to compete in Competition Obedience running scores of 198 / 200.

    I am pretty pleased just how well they do work, of course it also relies on the handler to be self motivated goal orientated person that can make best use of my training programs.
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    I went out lastnight to speak to a local trainer who uses the type of collar I was refering to in my OP.... to have a look and for him to show me a few tips with the dogs he's training at the moment....the particular collar I was looking at is a vibration collar..NOT a shock collar. All this one does is vibrates on the dogs neck (throat) for 2 seconds, and it has a beep button.. the vibration is NOTHING compared to a halti or a full check chain...so I don't know what the big song and dance is about and yes...I could easily use it on the kids WITHOUT having DOCs at my door too..the kids would actually giggle their heads off with the vibration...LOL...that's how harmless this particular collar is. So..as for it being cruel..OMG

    Snapping ALL the time on a check chain is cruel, pulling a large, headstrong dog back constantly with a halti is cruel, smacking a dog is cruel, getting angry when you dog ignores you after looking like an idiot pretending you have a good steak in your hands doesn't work!!!....the vib collar is far from cruel especially when you KNOW when and how to use it.

    I could get crude and say even a few women would enjoy this collar too..but.... PMSL

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    OM: I went out lastnight to speak to a local trainer who uses the type of collar I was refering to in my OP.... to have a look and for him to show me a few tips with the dogs he's training at the moment....the particular collar I was looking at is a vibration collar..NOT a shock collar. All this one does is vibrates on the dogs neck (throat) for 2 seconds, and it has a beep button.. the vibration is NOTHING compared to a halti or a full check chain...so I don't know what the big song and dance is about and yes...I could easily use it on the kids WITHOUT having DOCs at my door too..the kids would actually giggle their heads off with the vibration...LOL...that's how harmless this particular collar is. So..as for it being cruel..OMG
    K9: The word cruelty is pretty much an misunderstood term when it comes to dog training.

    I don't use vibration collars myself, the most common reason is that many dogs find them highly aversive

    I didn't see the link you added it was removed but most vibe collars also cant have the level of vibration adjusted, its just on & off.

    I have worked with many blind & deaf dogs that were brought to me to use a remote collar as the dog was missing a sense that held it back on communication (either sight or sound).

    They mostly wanted to use the vibration but we found that by & large, the dogs much preferred the electrical stimulation of an e collar.
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