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    Quote Originally Posted by ozeymum View Post
    Thanks Nic, and you ARE very helpful...much appretiated

    Occy...sorry, but your attitude on this site switches my "ears off" from listening to you.
    Billy, I wont waste my time since ozeymum has so plainly said that my attitude (which is funny as I wrote my posts to her with none) is not to her liking.

    Ozeymum, if you don't want advice, don't ask for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Occy View Post
    Billy, I wont waste my time since ozeymum has so plainly said that my attitude (which is funny as I wrote my posts to her with none) is not to her liking.

    Ozeymum, if you don't want advice, don't ask for it.

    Occy..I am regarding to the way you have spoken to many ppl here throughout the forum.

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    If you have a problem with me, take it up with me privately or with the forum owner. I suggest you return to the thread topic. Any further discussion of this publicly will be removed.

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    Yep back on topic.

    Please dont link to any sites selling the ecollar has it is illegal in Australia although discussions on it are fine.

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    K9: Hi guys, thought I would add my 2 cents in here.

    Thanks Billy for the kind words, yep that's right we do run seminars & workshops here & all over Australia.

    Hope I can help with a few misconceptions.

    E collars are NOT illegal in Australia, there are some states that have varying restrictions so people should check regulations in their state.

    They can be very helpful to overcome a dog that knows that as soon as it is off leash it can do as it pleases.

    They can be used in a method that causes no pain to the dog & are completely harmless.
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    Whilst the pain thing is up to personal perception and pain thresholds (same with prong collars, choker chains, head collars etc, martingales, ear piercing, tattoos, etc - well ok the last two are for people and frankly an eyebrow wax hurts more than a tattoo - lots would disagree with me) I just want to ask about the legalities.

    From what I have read you can only have APPROVED e collars that meet a certain set of specifications - so buying one off ebay etc would be unadviseable?

    You can also only use them if a vet has prescribed them? Now I've read a couple of places where it says "an authorised person" - what does that mean?

    I assume e collars have developed since their first use in the country? In design and specifications?

    Joe Bloggs cannot go out tomorrow and buy an e collar and stick it on a dog - nor should they. i've been saying the same thing for years about chokers - they should not be sold in pet shops.

    As you said, e collars are A method.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Occy View Post
    Whilst the pain thing is up to personal perception and pain thresholds (same with prong collars, choker chains, head collars etc, martingales, ear piercing, tattoos, etc - well ok the last two are for people and frankly an eyebrow wax hurts more than a tattoo - lots would disagree with me) I just want to ask about the legalities.
    K9: Hi Occy, we (you & I) have been over this a few times in the past, in my method (at least) the idea is to use the lowest level stimulation the dog can just feel (perceive). We can gain 100% reliability without causing the dog any pain. In fact in my training methods I advise clients many times this rule, "never let the dog know the collar can hurt him".

    Of course there are many methods & the tool is only as good as the user.

    I am not a lawyer but will do my best to answer any legal questions.

    From what I have read you can only have APPROVED e collars that meet a certain set of specifications - so buying one off ebay etc would be unadviseable?
    K9: correct, they have to meet the standards for C Tick approval, C Tick approvals are gained in Australia & if someone buys from ebay or overseas, there is the known risk of loosing an expensive item but the certainty that the unit will not be C Tick approved. There will also be no warranty.

    Without this approval, there is a heavy fine if caught using it anywhere in Australia.

    I have been told that it is $25 000, I am not sure if that was for the individual or a company, but all of ours are C Tick compliant so I didn't pursue any further info.

    You can also only use them if a vet has prescribed them? Now I've read a couple of places where it says "an authorised person" - what does that mean?
    K9: In Victoria yes, a vet or or trainer can authorise you to use one. In Qld or WA for example, there are no restrictions.

    I assume e collars have developed since their first use in the country? In design and specifications?
    K9: leaps & bounds, we (most commonly) have the Dogtra Brand that have 127 levels of stimulation. They start very low & go to the same upper levels of the other brands but this means there are 127 levels in between. The beauty of this is that you can locate the exact point your dog can feel the stim, a level either side is less than 1% difference so they are extremely accurate.

    They also are very solid in the durability side & very very reliable, the better units are totally water proof, including the remote & collar.

    Joe Bloggs cannot go out tomorrow and buy an e collar and stick it on a dog
    K9: In some states they can.

    - nor should they. i've been saying the same thing for years about chokers - they should not be sold in pet shops.
    K9: I 100% agree, when people dont know how to use them the dog always suffers.

    I have a Distance Learning Package & 50 Page Training Manual that people can learn how to use the collar effectively causing no harm, regardless of their location. We have people running these programs with us all over the world now.

    Hope I was able to shed some light.
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    Thank you k9 force for your 'correct' information

    Cheers

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    Your welcome, also keep in mind that we use many tools & forms of training to meet clients goals, we far from use e collars as the most common training practice, many options to suit everyone.
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    Thanks Steve. As I said, perception is the key.

    I have looked and cannot find anything about the laws in QLD (no time to search further atm - google is against me today), however let us hope that no untrained person anywhere gets their hands on a collar.

    A tool is only as good as the user and the best of those users have a toolbox that is brimming with all their experiences!

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