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    Default Dogtra E Collas(s) - Has Anyone Used Them?

    Hi,

    I have a 1 year old toy poodle and hes great. There is a few small things I would like to correct and want to know what others think.

    He's a very alert focused little dog and that at times isn't the best. I would love to let him off leash at parks but he always gets fixated on the grass, twigs and birds. The time we have tried and I call his name he simply doesnt listen. I dont call a hundred times as I know there is no point, in those situations I have simply sat down and waited for him to return.

    I will add hes not usually more then 20m away from me he does like to stay fairly close.

    I am conserned that he forgets I am there at times, this is why I am considering investing in an E Collar so I can page him, break his concerntration and hopefully he will learn to come back.

    At times at friends house he will often pinch Coke bottles if they are empty at the bin, I do make him surrender them camly and I wait for him to walk away but again, I think a simple page when he does these things will help him realize that its not what he sound be doing.

    What do others think / use?

    Is vibration a good method of enforcment?

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    don't sound to much like the dog has a problem.
    my dogs liked to chew coke bottles,
    the aussie loved to pinch and chew the lid.
    as my sheltie would chew the bottle.
    guess its not much of a problem if they dont swallow the plasitc.

    give him a bit of time to grow up and see what he ends up like at about 2.
    but if he stays the same i wouldnt worry, sounds pritty good.

    my aussie used to get fixated on the grass and just cruse along, best thing to do is clap to break the fixation.
    just once, or make a funny sound that might get his attention. if he is a bird dog, make a bird sound.
    all you need is them to look once and you can usually get there attention to come back
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    My dogs favourite toys are empty coke bottles ,we call it recycling

    As for the recall.
    Certainly dont go straight for the high end of training tools. Try some simple recall lessons first. When out use a long lead ( we use horse lunging reins-careful of nylon as they burn when pulled through your hand at a hefty pace) . When you want him to come to you ,call him.If you get no response a gentle tug on the lead and call him again. The minute he looks at you ,animate your voice and call him once more.If he then comes all the way to you praise him well and treat him.

    Keep it in mind this may take a wee while and some dogs will never have a 100 percent recall .
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    Haha - He loves the bottle but because he's so small he cant do a lot with it. He eventially unscrews the coke lid and throws it around the place running after it like its a ball.

    Thats about when I take it off him just in case, I dont want him swallowing anything harmful.

    I will invest in a lunging rein and see how we go Thanks for the suggestion!

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    It's not rocket science....

    If your so worried about your pooch eating coke bottle lids, then there is a ruddy simple solution... either take the coke bottle off your dog or remove the lid before your dog plays with it...

    or even better, buy your specially designed safe dog toys, most pet supplies sell doggy toys..


    aww poor pooch.. hopefully your owner doesn't use those nasty electric collars on you..

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    Vibration does not hurt the dog, so if you go down that path don't feel guilty.

    But I would advise you to try other paths available first. Some dogs just have fixations too you have to realise.Like others have said he is still really young. He may grow out of it.

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    Lesley Nelson's Really Reliable Recall DVD

    You might want to try the methods suggested on the dvd, ie condition your dog to respond no matter what, with lots of yummy treats and repetition in situations where you know he's going to come back when you call anyway. From there you can build up to environments with more distractions.

    If he doesn't come when you call and he's only 20m away, have you tried walking up and hooking him on the lead?

    I can't see how a vibration collar will help. I thought dogtra collars were static zap, ie zap with small amount of electricity, like when you get out of the car and earth it. Not pleasant so dog will work to avoid it - though this requires skill. If you can't work a clicker with good timing - you won't get any help from a remote training collar.

    If you need more help with this kind of thing, you could also try Steve at
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    Personally, I think you don't need the remote training collar. You can get what you want with other methods.

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    I will have a look for that DVD - I have brought a Lunging Rein so I can try and work with him at a distance.

    I am seeking some training but just awaiting a time so I will let you know how it goes. I know he is still only young but I want to try and sort these little things out now so they dont become problematic in the future.

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    K9: You probably dont need a remote collar for you situation, though contrary to many a myth, people will tell you that they are nasty. We have an article on our site that might help...

    There is nothing nasty about an inaminant object, nastyness comes from the way it is used.

    Strangely enough I have never found a dog that I could not train using the electrical stimulation but have found many dogs that freak when the pager button is pressed as it is a physical sensation.

    The level of stimulation that I use in my method is the level the dog can just perceive, not the pain or avoidance threshold nor do I try and replace a leash correction with a remote collar.

    They can be very handy for training many things, but I think it would be a big spend for just the small problem your having.

    I also probably would not use the Dogtra series on your dog (even though we sell them) but would choose another system, happy to give you advice on this if your stuck on a remote collar. steve@k9pro.com.au

    I would start now by using a long line for dogs, not a lunge lead for a horse though, we find them heavy and this signals the dog when it is wearing one, and when it isnt and hinders training.

    Another thing you can use is a silent whistle, we use these a lot for recall training and combined with a simple method, they work extra well and most of all it is a fun way to train a recall with outstanding results.

    If you are set on a remote collar, dont buy one and experiment, used correctly you can train a dog very well, and it is simple and very effective, but having a go at it, not such a good idea.

    Because they are a very fast training system you can train in or out things you dont want to quite quickly, a great tool when your shown how to use it.

    We have a training manual that I wrote on how the collars should be used, this is a great way to see what they can do for you and or if you need one, but personally I think if you get a long line (we have very good ones cheap) and a whistle (have those too) I can give you a few steps to get your recall working.

    For the coke bottles the real problem isnt in the stealing but the fact that your dog is unstimulated and looking for stimulation, I would look into some Training in drive / motivational training for your dog.

    To learn more about drives you can look at the articles on our site also.
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    Sorry Steve, but must ask .....Just how heavy you think a lunge rein is ? Keep in mind they vary .
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