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Thread: Dogtra E Collas(s) - Has Anyone Used Them?

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    Steve, you dont shop in horse shops for dog products.
    Fair enough. Each to their own.
    But for the rest of us, that like a bargain. As in, it WILL fall to bits, in say 2-3 yrs. So i guess ill fork out pittance again, in 2-3 yrs.

    My long lead, at a good dog tools stockist. average around $50.
    Horse world = $8.99

    dog bowl big enough in dog world the skies the limit.
    Horse world = $4

    grooming equipment. cheaper in horse world.
    sacking, cheaper in dog world.

    dont know why horse equipment is cheaper than dog stuff in australia. But it is.
    In uk, horse world would be far higher than dog world.

    i highly recommend a trip, to anyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by k9force View Post
    K9: You probably dont need a remote collar for you situation, though contrary to many a myth, people will tell you that they are nasty. We have an article on our site that might help...

    There is nothing nasty about an inaminant object, nastyness comes from the way it is used.

    Strangely enough I have never found a dog that I could not train using the electrical stimulation but have found many dogs that freak when the pager button is pressed as it is a physical sensation.

    The level of stimulation that I use in my method is the level the dog can just perceive, not the pain or avoidance threshold nor do I try and replace a leash correction with a remote collar.

    They can be very handy for training many things, but I think it would be a big spend for just the small problem your having.

    I also probably would not use the Dogtra series on your dog (even though we sell them) but would choose another system, happy to give you advice on this if your stuck on a remote collar. steve@k9pro.com.au

    I would start now by using a long line for dogs, not a lunge lead for a horse though, we find them heavy and this signals the dog when it is wearing one, and when it isnt and hinders training.

    Another thing you can use is a silent whistle, we use these a lot for recall training and combined with a simple method, they work extra well and most of all it is a fun way to train a recall with outstanding results.

    If you are set on a remote collar, dont buy one and experiment, used correctly you can train a dog very well, and it is simple and very effective, but having a go at it, not such a good idea.

    Because they are a very fast training system you can train in or out things you dont want to quite quickly, a great tool when your shown how to use it.

    We have a training manual that I wrote on how the collars should be used, this is a great way to see what they can do for you and or if you need one, but personally I think if you get a long line (we have very good ones cheap) and a whistle (have those too) I can give you a few steps to get your recall working.

    For the coke bottles the real problem isnt in the stealing but the fact that your dog is unstimulated and looking for stimulation, I would look into some Training in drive / motivational training for your dog.

    To learn more about drives you can look at the articles on our site also.
    Hi Steve,

    Thanks for taking the time to reply. I completly understand everything that you said. I will check your website for a long line and the whistle's as well.

    I also agree with the remote trainer in the sense that I wouldnt just 'try my luck' I would for sure have a trainer there who had experiance with remote trainers to show me the best methods.

    My dog is extremly smart so I think he would learn quiet fast. I think the coke bottle thing is just fun for him, its not a "problem' for me.

    I will check out your website today and probably drop you an email as well.

    Aagin, Really appreciate your help!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChoppaChop View Post
    And its great to see Benjamin that you are being pro-active in your dogs life and showing initiative towards training and problematic behaviour
    Agh I love him, he's an amazing little dog and I really wanna see him devolp some more so really any help I can get in doing so will be great.

    I guess he will be with me for another 14 years or so, best to give him everything I have got!

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    Wow I didnt mean to cause a fight lol!

    The only reason I choose a Lunging Rein was becuse I found one on eBay - I look on eBay for everything.

    I think I have an eBay problem lol but it was there, someone mentioned it so I thought it was good idea. Now that Steve mentioned the weight of the Lunging Rein might not be a good idea I'll buy one from his site as it makes more sense.

    I'm really new to this training thing, I have established a good relationship with my dog but as for whats the best thing in the industry to train him with I am completly clueless.

    So I apprecaite all the help that has been given

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    Quote Originally Posted by bernie View Post
    Steve, you dont shop in horse shops for dog products.
    Fair enough. Each to their own.
    K9: I also dont go to a plumber when I need an electrician lol..

    But for the rest of us, that like a bargain. As in, it WILL fall to bits, in say 2-3 yrs. So i guess ill fork out pittance again, in 2-3 yrs.
    K9: I think 2 - 3 years might be ok, but when they break or dont work correctly from day one? not for me.

    My long lead, at a good dog tools stockist. average around $50.
    Horse world = $8.99
    K9: I will say it again, NOT THE SAME THING. Look at the width, the smap and the material, like I said, we dont sell crap.

    dog bowl big enough in dog world the skies the limit.
    Horse world = $4
    K9: lol do you feed your dog horsefood too? Its cheaper...

    grooming equipment. cheaper in horse world.
    K9: lol because it is for er HORSES...

    dont know why horse equipment is cheaper than dog stuff in australia. But it is.
    K9: Generally, most of the items there are made in China, not tested, not rated, not meant to last or work really, just a copy of something that does.

    We can certainly get the exact same product from the same place, at literally cents per piece, we just wont.
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    I dont shop at horse shops for dog products but admittedly the best show polish/spray for a dobermann is a horse one...

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    I have a friend who got 30m of 12ml line from Bunnings - works pretty good on her dog though he does know he's towing a line.

    I've had Frosty on a 10m mud coated lunge rope for Sheep herding lessons, and she'd just switch off and go eat sheep poo. Unclip the line and she'd show more interest. We did a little bit better with a 2m dog lead, made it possible to catch her if needed, and light enough she'd keep moving. Bizarrely while I sometimes have trouble catching her in the back yard, she was pretty easy to stop and very well behaved at sheep herding. go figure.

    Lesley Nelson uses what looks like blind cord with knots in it - so you can step on the line and stop the dog at the knot. You can't pick up fine line like that (or some horse lunge leads) with a dog going full pelt and not hurt your hands - unless you're wearing sailing gloves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyacinth View Post
    I have a friend who got 30m of 12ml line from Bunnings - works pretty good on her dog though he does know he's towing a line.
    K9: I probably suggest its too heavy then.

    I've had Frosty on a 10m mud coated lunge rope for Sheep herding lessons, and she'd just switch off and go eat sheep poo. Unclip the line and she'd show more interest. We did a little bit better with a 2m dog lead, made it possible to catch her if needed, and light enough she'd keep moving. Bizarrely while I sometimes have trouble catching her in the back yard, she was pretty easy to stop and very well behaved at sheep herding. go figure.
    K9: Take away the security of the backyard and you have a dog that is more reliant perhaps.

    Lesley Nelson uses what looks like blind cord with knots in it - so you can step on the line and stop the dog at the knot. You can't pick up fine line like that (or some horse lunge leads) with a dog going full pelt and not hurt your hands - unless you're wearing sailing gloves.
    K9: Knots in rope weaken the rope, if a line needs knots tied in it to grip it, this is telling you that the line isnt suitable.

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    I have to admit I am pretty surprised at some of you guys who seek a "bargain" over any quality at all. Your obvioulsy somewhat envolved in the dog industry, you will sit here typing on forums and spend your time talking about your dog, but when it comes to buying equipment, which is just as much for yourselves as your dogs, you wont seem to allow yourselves any freedom to buy good gear? Instead your buying horse gear (more on that in a moment), rope from Bunnings, tieing knots to save maybe $20?

    I went to the local Horse equipment place and asked for the best lunge line they have, he showed me one, it was $120.00 for 10m. It looked pretty good too but heavy.

    I asked what the cheapeast they had, he described it himself as "cheap and nasty" but I bought it anyway.

    I asked was it treated with anything to stop it absorbing water and he looked at me like I had two heads, then said none of them are.

    I brought it home, the specs are 10 m long x 25mm wide.

    I attached it to my dog and she dragged it through the wet grass. I took it off and weighed it and it weight just under 4kgs, did the same with our premium line, dry 400grams wet 560 grams.

    The snap on the Horse line is a die cast nickel snap, these are known to snap pretty easy, ours have solid brass rated to withstand a shock load of 1000kg.

    I mentioned to the guy that will the snap break and he said if a horse was running he would not hold the line. lol

    The line was $30.00

    lol I am not trying to sel you a line, we sell pallet loads of them, just think things over guys, do yourself and your dog a favour.
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    OT - but I just clicked on your website K9 and wanted to say congrats on your newest
    K9 member, adorable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rebec View Post
    OT - but I just clicked on your website K9 and wanted to say congrats on your newest
    K9 member, adorable.
    K9: lol thanks, she is a cutie, just like her mum...
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