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    And its great to see Benjamin that you are being pro-active in your dogs life and showing initiative towards training and problematic behaviour
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    K9: When the dog is dragging them around, you can see dogs that are trained not to pull on leash not drag the line due to the weight. When they are wet they are heavier too.

    We use a very light either 15mm cotton or 19mm nylon, 15 foot long for most recall training, ours are treated so as not to take on water, so dont get heavier really.

    Many of the horse lines people have brought here are much heavier than the lines we have.
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    Thankyou for your reply.

    However one must be forgiven for thinking you are saying this because of course you'd like to make yours more....marketable perhaps?
    But yes,what you say makes sense,yet there are other places to obtain a similar working rein for a fraction of cost.

    The range of lunge reins availible are often extremely light , nylon and also treated for water etc.....certain types of nylon ( the most commonly used in most dog and horse leads) is rather detrimental to ones hands if dragged through at a great speed Hence me not being partial to light nylon.

    Interesting theory though the weight issue on certain dogs and I can see that could be an issue with some dogs and the methods they are trained with.
    Cant say I've had that particular problem though and we've always used the horse lunge rein ( webbing-weather treated-swiveled).
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChoppaChop View Post
    Thankyou for your reply.

    However one must be forgiven for thinking you are saying this because of course you'd like to make yours more....marketable perhaps?
    K9: yep thats it, I suggested the person not buy a remote collar that I sell in favour of a long line rolls eyes...

    But yes,what you say makes sense,yet there are other places to obtain a similar working rein for a fraction of cost.
    K9: Then list them, we have seen and tested a lot of others and find these the best, similar isnt the same. We use commercial sticthing in a stitch pattern that doesnt fail under shock loading, we use solid brass snaps that can withstand 1000 kg SWL on shock loads as well. Not sure if Chinese made horse lines are tested like this.

    You can also buy a lenth of chain from the hardward and make a collar out of it, that would be at a fraction of the cost too...

    The range of lunge reins availible are often extremely light , nylon and also treated for water etc.....certain types of nylon ( the most commonly used in most dog and horse leads) is rather detrimental to ones hands if dragged through at a great speed Hence me not being partial to light nylon.
    K9: The ones people have shown up with here in training have been a lot heavier than ours, like I said in the post, I havent seen lighter ones, but I dont shop in horse shops for dog products.

    I am confused that you say that you can buy these lines but now you dont like them?

    We have people email us avery day, asking how heavy our lines are and how heavy they are when wet, so I guess that there are a lot of people having the same issue, which is why I reported it.

    I also said there is a method in it, which I train to prevent this, the premium line we have is impregnated with rubber stitching so it wont slip through hands. I am not a fan though of stopping a dog at full bolt with a long line of any description.

    Interesting theory though the weight issue on certain dogs and I can see that could be an issue with some dogs and the methods they are trained with.
    Cant say I've had that particular problem though and we've always used the horse lunge rein ( webbing-weather treated-swiveled).
    K9: we sell pallet loads of both types of lines we have, many to tracking people and government departments, they all seem to come back and buy more and we use them in our training here too, with great results.
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    Gosh! I didn't expect you to get quite so uptight over my post.

    I did not say yours were no good or anything remotely similar.
    But of course in general pet people are going to be looking at price differences,they would be silly not to.Not everyone is going to race out and spend lots of $$$$ when a similar product that ultimately achieves the same result can be bought for a fraction of the cost of other certain products.

    I stated from the beginning that I dislike the nylon reins. Of ANY type.
    But the reins we use are light,dont burn,treated etc etc.....and are made to clip onto a half ton of horse flesh,so yep,I'd say pretty strong.

    Again though,we are talking in general and this opening poster has a Poodle,hardly in need of something heavy duty.

    By saying there are different avenues to only using your things does not mean I am insulting you but yet again,your last post,one could be again forgiven for thinking mmmmmmm so if I'm a bargain hunter or dont buy your particular product well we're not doing things quite right/as well as yourself and methods ?

    I never aimed my post to be personal Steve
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChoppaChop View Post
    Gosh! I didn't expect you to get quite so uptight over my post.
    K9: Well you implied that I was trying to market my lines and that others were available at a fraction of the cost. That seemed to be an un neccessary comment when I simply answered a post. I didnt link the post to my site, but just said we had them.

    So you know, I dont do equip sales here, staff does and theya re good at it, I test equipment with 12 other voluteer testers we have.

    I did not say yours were no good or anything remotely similar.
    But of course in general pet people are going to be looking at price differences,they would be silly not to.
    K9: the quality of the product would be more what I was looking at, I personally dont shop for the cheapest item I can find, I look for quality. On our site it says that a long time ago we decided npot to sell cheap / poor quality equipment, we dont have anything for sale that isnt very high quality, people dont come to us for $2 training equipment.

    We bought an office kettle once, from Big W, it was about $20. It heated the water, and failed in about 4 months. We bought another one, about $22.00, never worked out of the box. Took it back got another that did work for 8 weeks. Bought a Russel Hobbs kettle, $59.00, still have it, 6 years later.

    Bought food processor to make BARF vegies for my dogs, lasted 8 months, bought a Magimix, still rockin on 3 years later...

    It can be a false economy to buy crap.

    Client bought a martingale collar from us last week, because the check chain she bought from a pet store, had the chrome plating peel off, the flakes of metal caused her dog to get an infection.

    Not everyone is going to race out and spend lots of $$$$ when a similar product that ultimately achieves the same result can be bought for a fraction of the cost of other certain products.
    K9: I dont expect them too, if you can show me a product that is the same as ours cheaper, we will either beat the price or stock that product, if you look at items we sell that others do to, brand for brand and model for model, I be pretty shocked if you can find us advertising products more exp than others.

    I stated from the beginning that I dislike the nylon reins. Of ANY type.
    But the reins we use are light,dont burn,treated etc etc.....and are made to clip onto a half ton of horse flesh,so yep,I'd say pretty strong.
    K9: we dont leave testing to our clients, we dont say "so I would say pretty strong", we test our leahes and lines until they break and use certified snaps on the end. Next year he may get a bigger or stronger dog or loan his line to a friend, ours wont break no matter what...

    By saying there are different avenues to only using your things does not mean I am insulting you but yet again,
    K9: Suggesting I am only recommending these things to make money does though, I am guilty of loaning people equipment or sending it out when people need help but dont have the money, many times we havent been paid for it, I still do it though, maybe this link will help

    your last post,one could be again forgiven for thinking mmmmmmm so if I'm a bargain hunter or dont buy your particular product well we're not doing things quite right/as well as yourself and methods ?
    K9: I think it says on my site, "if your looking for cheap crap, you wont find it here, if your looking for quality and value, we have it" or something like it, so I can say it here again, if someone is looking for your $2 throw away type things, we dont have anything for you at K9 Pro.

    If you want quality equipment at a good price, I think we can help you

    I also said that with the line and whistle, I could give the poster some tips on getting it working, not sure if that comes with the Horse lines.

    I never aimed my post to be personal Steve
    K9: Thats good to know, I have posted on many forums in the past and left out the part about we have the equipment, only to read the next post saying "sounds good" where can I get one?

    People dont see a point nor do I in me not letting people know we have a particular thing.
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    All products have their target market. Some people are happy with a toyota cruz (not that there is anything wrong with it) and some want a Ferrari.

    Was if you Choppa that told Ruthless that her collars are to expensive? From memory it was..
    I guess the premium products are not for you, but should your choices stop others purchasing them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MonElite View Post
    All products have their target market. Some people are happy with a toyota cruz (not that there is anything wrong with it) and some want a Ferrari.

    Was if you Choppa that told Ruthless that her collars are to expensive? From memory it was..
    I guess the premium products are not for you, but should your choices stop others purchasing them?
    OK,I'll bite.


    Yep it was me that said.
    Your point?
    Ruth said she did not take offence but politely asked if I knew of the same quality cheaper. I did and gave the link to TopDog.

    Now honestly,what on earth does that have to do with me not being "upper market" so to speak?
    I actually do have 2 gorgeous Bully leather collars and one harness here from the states,trust me ,they were not cheap. But so ?
    Because I like to look for a bargain for an item that will ultimately do the job and gain the exact same result at the end , I am pushing my choices?


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    i have a 75 kilo sth african mastiff.IF i use anything except premium fittings or leads on him ... they fail sooner more than later.

    And the mention of weight of the lead... try your dog with instead of a lead ... 100 lbs fishing line.He thinks he is off lead.Until they are taught off lead there is a distinct difference in a dogs behaviour thinking it is off lead.Just the weight of the lead influences a dogs behaviour so ill agree lighter the lead the better.

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    Choppa -
    Ruth asked you to show her same quality goods but cheaper. Did you actually ever see one of Ruths collars? If you havent how can you compare them to something else, that I dare say you havent touched either?
    I love good quality leather goods and Ruths stuff is outstanding, and I have seen/touched/tested many - here and overseas.

    The OP has a toy poodle, I would say the lightness of a line is of a HUGE importance and a horse line might just simply be to heavy, dont you think? Perhaps you didnt take into consideration the breed? Id say that a light horse line might be ok for a bull breed, but not for a toy breed...

    My point was - I LOVE a bargain, I will go out of my way to find one, but in my opinion a bargain doesn not equal cheapness. My view of a bargain is something of a fabulous quality at a lower then normal price.

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