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    I am a TOT convert.
    For those with more experience than me i am getting unusual behaviour...
    When working Bernie in drive. He has a hierarchy of toys. That he has shown us over time.
    For some reason, a cork, as in, what comes out of the wine bottle, is Nirvana for Bernie. He goes into peak drive over a cork, so i tend not to use it, as he cannot work when that highly aroused. But we play with it with him.
    So, in peak drive, he will be exteemly attentive, every nerve poised ready for the cork, crying with excitement as he usually does, and he is peeing, without noticing at all! just hovered, crouched, ready to pounce, and peeing.
    What is this?
    anyone know why when my dog hits peak drive, it pee's itself?
    Bernie

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    Hi Bernie. Dogs will urinate unitentionally like this for many reasons - the two most common ones being submissive urination and excitement urination. They don't mean to, they don't aim to, it's just a reflex action pertaining to their emotions at the time.
    Like the urine from a dog who pees submissively smells very different to another dog than the urine from one who has peed from being overly excited.

    The more excited Bernie gets, the more the likelihood he will inadvertitently urinate, I'm afraid.

    One thing to consider is the fact that a confident dog will rarely urinate when excited. This behaviour (or should I say result) usually happens with dogs who are not overly confident in one way or another. Hope that helps.
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    You could ask Steve at K9 Pro - he's an expert in Training in Drive.

    I think it's something you need to practice more often so the dog is more used to being in that state, ie make it more manageable, and also as the dog gets older (grows into adulthood) it should become less likely.

    Frosty pees when she's excited and sometimes she pees when a really big dog greets her. She's scared and submissive but not scared - ie she initiates the greeting and still rolls over and pees. It doesn't happen with every dog, just the new ones that are big or big and a bit too fast on approach.

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    Keep the cork for the jackpot, so if you see a huge improvement, bring out the cork for play. Don't show him the cork before hand, put it in your pocket.

    For example if I was training the sit and your dog also has a good food drive, I'd ask for a sit - give food, ask for sit - give food, ask for sit - give food, ask for sit; now if you got all those sits, nice and quick and it was an improvement on past performance (by past I mean the one just given) give him the cork.

    Hope this makes sense.

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    Thanks people.
    The cork i shall keep for jackpots, jackpots outside that is!

    Just a bit shocking, 2 pints of urine onto the floor boards, with the dog not aware.
    Excitement eh.
    Bless

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    Quote Originally Posted by bernie View Post
    I am a TOT convert.
    For those with more experience than me i am getting unusual behaviour...
    When working Bernie in drive. He has a hierarchy of toys. That he has shown us over time.
    For some reason, a cork, as in, what comes out of the wine bottle, is Nirvana for Bernie. He goes into peak drive over a cork, so i tend not to use it, as he cannot work when that highly aroused.
    K9: well yes and no, he can work in peak drive but has to be shown how to control his impulses to get it working for both of you...

    I would lose the cork though, too easily swallowed and easy to block up intestines etc.

    But we play with it with him.
    So, in peak drive, he will be exteemly attentive, every nerve poised ready for the cork, crying with excitement as he usually does, and he is peeing, without noticing at all! just hovered, crouched, ready to pounce, and peeing.
    What is this?
    anyone know why when my dog hits peak drive, it pee's itself?
    Bernie
    K9: how old is he? Peeing isnt normal in TID
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    He's now 8 months old.
    House trained, outside of the 2 incidences we're he's peed indoors doing this. We dont do it indoors anymore.

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    It nice to know that he is the prey drive and he is so focused on the case is excellent obendience or testing or whatever to do with him. just be prepared to find dead birds in one day. I have to collect dead birds, even a couple of times a month.

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    dead birds.
    yes, we get those, and snakes and lizards in the summer, so im never too miffed to get a dead bird, as they tend to stay er, 'sealed' for want of a better word. (uggh)
    Thought that was supposed to be a 'cat' behaviour, but every dog ive had does this, "there ya go mum, have that!, arent i great?"
    er, no, its not big, its not even clever actually.

    We've lost the cork.

    he's improvising of course, tiny crumbs of anything on the floor, well that's got to be something id want according to Bernie. I snoozed on the sofa sunday arvo, woke up to be littered by precious finds, bernie just kept dropping off to me for the entire hour snooze.

    No more pee-ing since losing the cork. Seems like a paradox in some way?

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    B: We've lost the cork.

    he's improvising of course, tiny crumbs of anything on the floor, well that's got to be something id want according to Bernie. I snoozed on the sofa sunday arvo, woke up to be littered by precious finds, bernie just kept dropping off to me for the entire hour snooze.
    S: Sounds funny lol, glad teh cork is gone, it can end up plugging the wrong hole.

    No more pee-ing since losing the cork. Seems like a paradox in some way?
    S: Not enough details to even have a stab at it. Perhaps the wine coming out of it was making him tipsy lol...
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