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    Unhappy Training Help!

    Kimba and I have been having a lot of trouble at obedience school.

    I tried taking her down to our local oval to practice at a similar time to the classes so we could improve.

    She did everything I asked her and really focused on everything.
    We got in the car and I got an sms and while I replied, a kangaroo come out of the bush and hopped around the field. Kimba froze and was just staring it down.

    I went home and came down the next day and I could have been hitting her with a stick and she wouldn't have noticed me. Her head was down and I wasn't going to risk getting her off leash, I think she would've gone searching for roos so I took her home.

    Tonight at training a similar thing happened. She found a small dead bird and just couldn't ignore it, I had to drag her away and the whole time her head was smelling the ground and trying to get to it.
    I need her attention! I called, yelled, bribed but nothing worked. Even the instructor tried! It didn't matter what we did she was after it.
    I had to try and continue but it was pretty much me dragging a 30kg dead weight around the field. I would've left but I wanted to learn what I have to do so maybe we could try at home.

    On top of this I also need help with the actual things we are being graded on!
    I can't practice with a dog that has one thing on her mind!

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    I feel your pain Sharoo

    And as of yet I cannot offer a quick fix as I am yet to find one.
    I dont know if Kimba has a good food drive ? But Lop usually does until her nose gets on the trail of a cane toad Then I could be offering her a candle lit dinner of prime tbone iwth sides and she would simply not care.

    The only thing I have found to work and it doesn't everytime is to make really high ,excited noises whilst running away from her, this will sometimes get her attention enough and she thinks game time!

    So I use that now but as I said ,it doesn't work every single time.
    The times it doesn't work I leave my training area and try and practice things elsewhere or as we're walking along .

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    Sometimes, in order to recall my pup when she is into something , have to call her in a super 'cute' and happy voice and keep tapping the ground (totally like a clown) ....

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    This is what I am afraid of with Candy....being a hunting dog...if she saw a roo, koala...even a lizzard or toad she'd be onto it and completely ignore me.

    At this stage (she's 6months) I don't intend on having her offleash unless at the offleash parks because she can be sooooo ignorant.

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    K9: Guys this is a very common problem that is able to be fixed by communication, motivation & possibly correction training.

    Can you tell me a bit more about the type of training you do Sharoo?
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    All this sounds very familiar - I'm glad I'm not alone! Jazz is 16 months old now and still pulls on the lead and is easily distracted by everything from a kangaroo to a butterfly. Today it was horse poo!!!!! I include training ( sit, stay, drop, stop, about turn etc) in all our walks every day, but it's an uphill battle. Hope someone can come up with some new ideas to try.

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    Steve I have no doubt that it could be corrected with *most* dogs , but sadly I have one ( and had one ) that I just don't think will ever have 100 percent recall....and I need 100 percent.

    Seriously,put a cane toad in her near vicinity and you could strap her to the electric chair and I reckon she'd still fight the shackles trying to get the bluddy toad
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    At the moment its basic Obedience training.
    We are up to level 3 in our club. Its the one before the real 'show dog' training.
    I was hoping to continue to the higher levels.

    I think her past has caught up with us.
    She was taught it was ok to kill things like cats, birds etc when she was with her last owner and I was hoping somehow she realise its not ok with me. I know it sounds stupid now!

    Like I said have been trying everything to distract her, even on walks and its hopeless. It doesn't matter what tone of voice I use, if I check her with the chain, if I drag her, once shes onto something Game Over.
    She frustrates me so much as she was doing so well for a long time.
    Ever since she has become worse. Its like the kangaroo kick started her killing streak again.

    I really wish the RSPCA could give me her previous owners name so I could tell him a thing or 2 about raising a puppy and that the mistakes you make early affect them later!!

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    Personally it sounds as if you need something beyond the confines of a dog club. You need someone to help you one on one and you need a management system in place. It is quite common - friend of mine has the same prob with her oodle and dalmatian. They cornered a roo in the damn (and the oodle wanted to go play with it -.-)

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    CC: Steve I have no doubt that it could be corrected with *most* dogs , but sadly I have one ( and had one ) that I just don't think will ever have 100 percent recall....and I need 100 percent.

    Seriously,put a cane toad in her near vicinity and you could strap her to the electric chair and I reckon she'd still fight the shackles trying to get the bluddy toad
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    K9: I have no doubt that I can train her to have a 100% reliable recall.

    I see your talking about Cane Toads, so you must be from QLD? I will be doing two workshops up there within the next 12 months, if you come I will show you how...

    S: She was taught it was ok to kill things like cats, birds etc when she was with her last owner and I was hoping somehow she realise its not ok with me. I know it sounds stupid now!

    Like I said have been trying everything to distract her, even on walks and its hopeless. It doesn't matter what tone of voice I use, if I check her with the chain, if I drag her, once shes onto something Game Over.
    She frustrates me so much as she was doing so well for a long time.
    Ever since she has become worse. Its like the kangaroo kick started her killing streak again.
    k9: You need to balance her out, simply trying to correct out a genetic trait wont work, it will actually in some cases elevate drive thus making your problem worse.

    I would be looking into a plan that will provide her drive satisfaction in one environment & correcting our attempts at drive satisfaction through desensitisation in otehr environments.

    This balance will see a shift to her using her genetic traits when you want them used not when you don't.

    Basic obedience on the face of live distraction will only generate & increase frustration, frustration is the number one drive BUILDING tool.

    There are a number of "ingredients" that will need to be added to get the recipe right, but yes it can be done...
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