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    Unhappy Problem Dog

    I really love my dog Patch... But we are border line finding a new home for him because he is so uncontrolable.

    A bit of background: Patch is 2 years old, he's a border collie x kelpie we got when he was about 7-8 months old. When we got him, we got him from a breeder, who had him in a cage in her garage along with alot of other dogs. We originally went there to get a pure breed female but my partner liked Patch more as he had more "personality". In other words he was bouncing around his cage all excited.

    Since then, this has been the story of Patch. He is a very excitable dog. He jumps he runs around. The biggest problem is the jumping. We can't stop him from jumping on people whenever we go out into the yard. We've tried kneeing him, we've tried just simply turning out back to him until he's stopped jumping and it works for the most part, but if we're patting him and we stop he starts jumping for more.

    Another problem is we also cant bathe him. Not sure what the true issue is but this is what we think. We think he was hosed down while in the cage and the cage got hosed down at the same time, so he's terrified of water. We have to basically hold him to us to even semi get him washed but it just doesnt work. We got one of those mobile dog wash's out to wash him and they managed to but he was a handful.

    Those are our main problems with him. He barks as other dogs go past the house but that we can live with as we can understand why. And he goes nuts when we're walking him and he see's another dog but we're slowly getting him out of the habit of barking and wimpering when he see's one atleast. And he pulls on his lead when we're walking, excessively. But we got one of those new head/nose leads and we're hoping to fix that issue.

    But does anyone have any advice/opinions on the other two issues? I would love to spend more time with him and take him places etc, but at the moment he's just unmanageable.

    Will having him castrated help this? We want to get it done, but its a matter of finances at the moment. But if its not going to help with the problems he has we wont really worry about it as much.

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    OK,firstly , yes! have him desexed straight away. It is absolutely not a magic fix but it will help a little in the 'at the other dogs' behaviour.

    Now , it seems your dog has a few issues and giving advice for such a dog over the internet is a hard call as it could all go pear shaped very quickly.

    It also bothers me that you would consider rehoming him because you havn't taught him right

    The best advice I can give you is to get some one on one training from a professional trainer/behaviouralist , that way,you are being 'taught' at the same time how to control and deal with the current issues as well as any new ones that may come along.

    Also,his genetics dictate that yes,he will be an active dog . He is a cross of 2 highly driven work breeds . He needs challenges and loads of exercise/training to keep his mind engaged .
    Sadly you didn't buy him from a 'registered,reputable breeder'
    Does he get walked often?
    How much exercise would you say he gets a day ?
    Play time a day ?
    Is he allowed inside ?
    Is the only time he actually gets to engage with you when you go into the backyard?
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    How about going to a professional trainer/dog school. It's not JUST two problems here, I see much more, a and feel that you won't solve much by just taking advice on-line
    For jumping on you, do you start to pat him as soon as he finished jumping or..? Turning your back at him is OK, but try to ignore him afterwards, don't pat him. How much excercise does he get daily? You have a dog that's mix of two extremely active breeds, and needs a lot (and i mean A LOT) of mental and physical challenge.
    How do you bathe him? Do you hose him, or do you actually put him in a bath tub and then shower. If he had traumatic experience with hosing, you shouldn't do it. Put him in a bath tub and slowly turn the water on, let it just drip slowly until he's OK with the sound, then wet him slowly, with sponge perhaps and gradually increase the water flow. Have awards with you, and award him when he's doing good.

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    Hi there,

    This is very sad indeed. I honestly feel for you though mostly your little boy as his life has been hell while young and developing.

    Your experience in buying this pup is a typical BYB job, they are truly evil people and prey on good natured families in particular.

    I am not going to go into behaviour and development strategies, the internet is simply not appropriate at this level of concern.

    You need professional advice and training.

    There are low cost desexing clinics which are brilliant, and some vets who offer greatly discounted rates

    Please do not rehome your dog or surrender him to a pound untill you have sought good advice.

    I am sorry that you have been through this....I despise Back Yard Breeders (BYB) they are the most discusting individuals imaginable.

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    Last edited by Billy; 02-12-2009 at 10:17 AM. Reason: to make more sense!

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    Hahaha Choppa we were obviously writing at the same time

    I agree with everyone and everything that's been said (we all think more/less the same).

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    I've heard of BYB before as we have cats also, that i've gotten quite into and have seen some disaster stories with them. But back then I didn't know. I don't want to re-home him, I do love him. The problem is that we are having so much problems with him, also we're renting and arent really meant to have him but I still dont want to re-home him. So if you think that was going to be an easy option for us, its not. We love him, and all our animals.

    I do want to get him desexed, thats going to be a big priorty.

    We tried once to wash him with the hose, until we found out he was terrified of water. We've tried bathing him with some warm water in a bucket and a nice big soft sponge in the back yard, and he wouldn't have it. So we tried in the bath with slow running water and a hose with a shower head attached to the tap, but he wouldn't have that either. We had a doggy wash come out and wash him, and about half way through I think he just gave up and accepted it, they said he enjoyed it but I dont think thats entirely true as he was just laying in the tub. They weren't mean to him, they were very nice and I feel sorry for the lady as she was doing everything she could, and had scratches all over her arms (not bleeding), but he's just genuinely terrified.

    He gets walked daily, he didnt before, but the last 6 months he's been walked daily for around 35mins a day, and ends up exhausted at the end because he pulls so hard. He doesnt get alot of play time, though he does like to, and know how to fetch, surprisingly, because it only took him 5mins to pick it up. Yet he'll only do it in the back yard, if we take him to an oval to play he wont play lol he stays near us.

    We dont let him inside because we have cats and birds, and also because we're renting. We're not meant to have any animals, but you can't just get rid of them. And IMO if the owners cant tell theres been an animal there come inspection time, then they're obviously not doing any harm. He has the back yard to himself, theres not much grass in it though, its mostly dirt because its not the greatest house and yard. The fence allows him to look outside the yard, watch people, they're wooden beams running along the yard really, and he can get his head through them and people walk past and pat him all the time lol the neighbours love him. He has a wooden dog house he doesnt use, we gave him a plastic one when he was a puppy but he ate it. His favourite place to sleep is under the trailor if its wet and if not he'll sleep near the fence so he can see whatevers going on outside the yard. Its also right near our bedroom window.

    He's a fairly quick learner if he enjoys something, else he can play REALLY dumb but I know he's a bright dog. He knows how to sit when told to, he knows he has to sit before he gets his food, he's half way through learning to sit whenever we come to a road on our walks. He can fetch, and brings the ball back doesnt always surrender it but if you tell him to drop it he will. I've also taught him the command "wheres your ball?" if you keep saying it while walking around the yard he goes in search of his ball so you can throw it for him But thats about all he can do. My oh so loving partner has kinda taught him to flop at your feet with all legs in the air on his back for a tummy rub lol bad habit!

    I'm also wondering about his feeding arrangements, am I feeding him too much and he's got excess energy or what? He gets 1.5 cans of dog food a night (a can is 1.2kg from memory) and dry food in the morning. He's not fat, he's quite slim, i've also wondered if he's too thin but he eats pleanty and gets regularly wormed etc. This is a picture of him in our OLD yard thats why theres grass lol. Hes a beautiful dog, I just want him to be more obedient so I can take him places and truely enjoy my time with him without stressing about all these bad habits he has.


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    Gosh Patch is simply adorable!

    I understand all your concerns, and am not judging you in any way. I apologise if you feel i was doing so.

    What area/state do you live in? perhaps i can look into low cost desexing.
    Desexing will help settle Patch and there are many other benefits as well.

    I would forget the bathing at home short term and agree he has probably had bad experiences with water. Have you tried swimming?

    Joining a really good training group will be of great help and very important. It is not overly expensive and you will get the support you need.

    When you walk patch include some sit, drop and stays to stimulate him mentaly as well as physically.

    I would walk him twice a day. Try throwing the ball and palying with him at home before you go for a walk.

    Playing is important and Patch will learn how to do this with your encouragement.

    Patch needs lots of toys and stimulation. Kongs are great and you can stuff them with food, raw chicken necks, peanut buter, dry etc. They will keep him entertained and stimulated. You can buy everlasting treat balls which you fill and hang them from a tree etc.
    Shell pools are great fun for dogs, fill one with water and the other with sand and burry some brisket bones and toys.

    The time you spend with Patch now and his training will be well worth the effort. Patch may need another twelve months to settle although he is well on his way. Puppyhood is a trying time for everyone but he is close to getting through that phase.

    I had the naughtiest Goldie ever! She was by far the most wicked puppy i have ever met! She was four before she settled and as she is so angelic now people simply can't believe the mischief she got up to!

    Lastly here is a poem to keep you inspired, this poem motivates me on a daily basis....

    "He is your friend, your partner, your defender, your pet.
    You are his life, his love, his leader.
    He will be yours, faithful and true,
    to the last beat of his heart.
    You owe it to him to be worthy of such devotion."
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    Gosh Patch is simply adorable!

    I understand all your concerns, and am not judging you in any way. I apologise if you feel i was doing so.

    What area/state do you live in? perhaps i can look into low cost desexing.
    Desexing will help settle Patch and there are many other benefits as well.

    I would forget the bathing at home short term and agree he has probably had bad experiences with water. Have you tried swimming?

    Joining a really good training group will be of great help and very important. It is not overly expensive and you will get the support you need.

    When you walk patch include some sit, drop and stays to stimulate him mentaly as well as physically.

    I would walk him twice a day. Try throwing the ball and palying with him at home before you go for a walk.

    Playing is important and Patch will learn how to do this with your encouragement.

    Patch needs lots of toys and stimulation. Kongs are great and you can stuff them with food, raw chicken necks, peanut buter, dry etc. They will keep him entertained and stimulated. You can buy everlasting treat balls which you fill and hang them from a tree etc.
    Shell pools are great fun for dogs, fill one with water and the other with sand and burry some brisket bones and toys.

    The time you spend with Patch now and his training will be well worth the effort. Patch may need another twelve months to settle although he is well on his way. Puppyhood is a trying time for everyone but he is close to getting through that phase.

    I had the naughtiest Goldie ever! She was by far the most wicked puppy i have ever met! She was four before she settled and as she is so angelic now people simply can't believe the mischief she got up to!

    Lastly here is a poem to keep you inspired, this poem motivates me on a daily basis....

    "He is your friend, your partner, your defender, your pet.
    You are his life, his love, his leader.
    He will be yours, faithful and true,
    to the last beat of his heart.
    You owe it to him to be worthy of such devotion."
    Unknown

    B

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    Thats a very nice poem it brought a tear to my eye

    He is adorable isn't he! He looks innocent but he's not! The kids shell pool thing is a good idea, i'm worried about him chewing it to bits though lol. We've kind of given up with toys for him. He's had a kong, but chewed it to bits. We bought him an indestructable treat ball, its in pieces. Theres only 1 toy he hasnt been able to destroy, and thats a nifty little abstract ball, its blue, made of rubber, is solid and has like blunt points all over it. We use that as a toy for him because he hasnt been able to destroy it yet, i think because its solid and its a strange shape. He also has 1-2 good quality tennis balls he hasnt been able to eat (partner was very annoyed the dog got his aus open tennis balls lol). But there are quite a few toy/ball remains in the backyard.

    I'm in hoppers crossing, victora.

    We tried swimming.... It was a strange experience. We took him to the beach for a walk once (my partner has deemed him never to go in the car again but i should be able to talk him around lol) and we walked him down the boat ramp... he walked in until the water was about knee high on him.. and then realised it was water and completely flipped out. Partner had to go in after him because he kept barking and jumping and couldnt figure out how to get out lol. Poor thing.

    I've wanted to take him to obedience classes, but i've been worried that he'd be too out of control even for them. A few places i've heard about around my area prefer to take on dogs that arent out of control like patch is because that way they get a better result and look better. I'll have to do some searching around to find one that doesnt act like that I think.

    Walking him twice may be hard. I would have to get up in the morning to walk him, i'll see what I can do. I usually walk him after work, for about 35mins and he's exhausted when we get home from pulling so much. If I used the special head collar on him that discourages pulling, could I just extend his walk an extra 30min or do I actually have to make them two seperate occasions?

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    *snap Fedra*

    Patch certainly is a good looking pooch

    OK , the bottom line here is ; if you are not or cannot be prepared to put in every effort to rectify things with Patch then perhaps it would be wise to find him a more suitable home .
    I do not mean to sound callous or cold....honest.

    It is just I see much that needs rectifying and you have been given very sound,very good advise but you seem to be explaining alot away with excuses.

    You need a trainer.
    Your boy needs stimulation and exercise. Lots of it.

    And please don't listen hearsay when it comes to obediance groups , go and have a sit in one training night instead and just observe.Perhaps introduce yourself and ask a few questions. You will probably be pleasantly surprised

    Most dogs do not turn up already trained and well behaved

    Just a small note on his diet , tinned food is not a great all round balanced diet no matter what the lovely tv adds would have you believe.
    Try swapping the tinned food for some raw chicken peices , mince and meaty bones. Not only it is cheaper,it is better for Patch .
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