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    Can I ask, you are training the sit, stay without food as well.

    As in at other times throughout the day for a pat or affection? Not just at meal times?

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    Hi Sweetboy,
    I have only just seen your post (bit slow on the uptake!). I have done TOT with beagles that have issues and some it works on and some it doesn't. If it is not working (and even if it is), I would suggest walking for your 45 mins, stopping at a park or grass area and doing some mental work, such as sitting and then walk at a quick pace for another 15 mins or so. And then I would crate your dog overnight, doing the excercise again in the morning. You need to be persistant and you need to be the authority figure as your pup will walk all over you if he sees you letting up.
    I would use a word or noise over and over again and treat every time you make the word or noise, then when he clicks that the noise or word means food, start using it when he barks, then when he is quiet reward with food and praise.
    With the pulling on the lead, the time old tested, turn around when he pulls and stop, then turn back and keep walking when he is no longer pulling, is generally a winner.

    If you don't mind - Could you say where you are? And who you got your beagle through?

    And congrats on getting yourself a beagle! They are lovable beautiful dogs will give you a lifetime of love in return.

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    Um, as in the dog was tied up outside for three hours after you prepared the food???

    OMG. I don't think that's quite how it's supposed to work. *faint*

    What do you feed the dog BTW?
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    DA- from the TOT thread by k9force
    "Next back tie your dog with a flat buckle collar (non correctional collar) & rope to something solid in your yard. Make sure all other dogs are out of site, we are looking for as low a distraction as possible. Learning is best done under no distraction; we are trying to trigger food drive, not possessiveness, so no other animals.

    Prepare the meal inside & this should be done after all higher members have eaten. Your dog will learn, through positive results in this program that being tied out will end in drive satisfaction ie: Positive reinforcement. This is good if you have a dog that whines on a tie out.

    At the end of the program you will have a list of things, such as being tied out, long sit stays etc that are all thought of as positive to your dog.

    Allow your dog to relax on the back tie, a few minutes is usually enough. Don't go out to a whining dog."

    Anyway, as I said in the OP we started with trying for 10min, but then gave in, people said "dont give up" so we tried for 3 hrs, yes we gave up and wont do it again, as I said it just feels way too cruel.

    We are feeding him brown rice with home made chicken broth, human grade mince (turkey this week), a handful of "supercoat" with sachas blend/fish oil and dog vit added. Beef marrow/brisket bones 3 times a week and the odd egg.

    Many thanks for the beagle advise- I will PM you the details. He is well behaved overnight, very content in his kennel so thats no issue. We are really enjoying him- but he does need to learn "sit", "stay" and some recall.

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    Hmm, yeah, I don't do that TOT as advised in that thread.

    Yep, I'd wanna eat what you're giving him too, sounds delicious. Lol. I was going to suggest you hand feed him in a certain way for a week, but can't do that with what you're feeding him unfortunately.

    You got treats for him whilst he is training? Teach him sit first, that is most important out of the lot at this stage with the issues you are having IMO.
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    Yep- I am using liver treat (cut into tiny pieces) and stopping while walking/during the day etc and working on "sit". He will now sit, and even wait up to 3 sec- but ONLY if the treat is used. If I dont have 1 he ignores me. We are 1 week in so this is an improvement. Slow steps!

    We did use the above TOT with our old dog and it wked really well- but he was happy with the tie up- it was no issue.

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    The demon of treats sometimes. I don't like to use them in that way myself for several reasons. I like treats to be just that - treats - and I like a dog to obey commands because he/she wants to please me, not be all about a treat or food etc. Hope that makes sense.

    How often are you training each day? As in sit/drop/stay/recall etc?
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    The tie up exercise I teach is different. I tie puppy to a chair I am sitting on. Progress to a post and moving away out of reach, to out of sight etc.

    Try doing three sits in quick succession. Heel - sit - treat, heel - sit, heel - sit - treat. Don't hesitate, move on quickly.

    Is he past the lure stage and onto getting the food as a reward (after the sit)?

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    I would have waited till the dog stopped barking for a few seconds not a whole minute, but I think your alternate method will work too. Tiny steps. And if the dog loses it, go back a few steps, ie you gotta make it possible for the dog to succeed.

    The original attempt - was that after the dog had a reasonable big walk? Ie it might be easier if the dog is tired to start with.

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    Yeah, but I wouldn't recommend feeding a dog straight after exercise either.
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