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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil's Advocate View Post
    Jeez, I agree with grey's. This woman is a dork, moron, idiot!

    TBH with you MyDog, if she had done that to any my GSD's, I believe they would have taken her. I would NOT expect my dog to back down EVER if someone did that to them. I find her behaviour utterly disgusting.

    What worries me is that this idiot is in control of teaching dogs and ppl. I then go on to think of all the damage that could be caused in society from ppl who have gone throug hher training regime.

    Wow, that's scary.

    I'm so sorry bout your finger. What a crappy mess this has been for you. Find another trainer, or another place to take Asher. be honest upfront, and explain what has happened, how you have felt. Hopefully you'll find a training establishment that actually cares about you and Asher. Good luck. Hugs to you.
    Very well said. I agree with every word and mydog, Batty would have had a go back at her, and I doubt it would be just a growl back too. I'm not saying for one second that he is unpredictable.

    Oh, and if she'd done that to the farm dogs she probably would have lost her face. That's putting it as nicely as possible.

    I guess I'm trying to say that the way Asher acted was well within his rights and a lot calmer than a LOT of other dogs would have been.

    I really hope your finger is feeling much better soon. Training can be a tonne of fun but it's really hard to find the place you gel with properly.

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    I've been training for a long time now. I pick and choose which dogs I will handle. I pick and choose which dogs I will demonstrate with in a class situation. I explain to the class why I use food with that dog. Simple.... it is not mine, why would it want to do anything for me?

    While I don't agree that Asher in that situation should of growled. You could of done the same thing with any of mine and they would not have responded at all. And I would like to think that any young dog would have not have responded to Leanne's methods no matter what.

    But the truth of the matter is Asher is a rescue dog & he is not a puppy. That is the case isn't it? And he has issues. Any idiot should know that "pushing" him is the wrong thing to do. Good trainers should be able to sum up a dog and realise that some have more dominance and guarding instincts and once they reach maturity they are intolerant of strangers handling them. The same can also be said for small breeds, some react badly to such treatment because it's scary and they are put in the fight or flight response.

    He needs a bit, by bit approach. And sometimes we just have to face facts that we are not going to have a social dog. End of story.

    So concentrate on other areas of his obedience that keep him under your control. Like the recall. Perfect that.
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    Gee Im really sorry to read about your ridiculous 'trainer'.

    Also sorry about your finger hun, I hope that heals up soon for you. Having a digit hurt puts a struggle on all the normal day to day things we take for granted - ie dressing.

    Could you possible get in contact with the nurse you had again? Prehaps ask them if they could do some 1 on 1 with you and Asher? Sounds like he had his head screwed on.
    (I know Nurses are over worked and under paid & deffinately undervalued, so prehaps offer to pay for their time)

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    Thanks guys for your replies. I am glad to be home after spending two days in hospital waiting for surgery. A piece of bone came right away, rupturing the tendon which made it a little more than just a broken finger. I have my whole hand and wrist immobolised and it is really sore. Poor Asher doesn't know what it is. Keeps sniffing it with sad eyes. But I am not blaming him. It was never his fault. And I am home now to give him plenty of hugs and pets.
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    Aw heck MyDog, hope that hand heals nicely and also quickly for you.

    And I hope you find a better training establishment or PT for yourself and Asher.
    Hugs to both you and Asher.

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    You poor thing! At least it's been sorted, I assume you had the surgery, and now you can start to heal.

    Gee, you don't do anything by halves do you? LOL

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    Gees, you do something you do it well, eh? I hope the healing is quick and uneventful.

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    Hi mydogau

    Your reaction after you noticed your finger, is what I'd diagnose as an amateur first aider as "going into shock". It is something to take seriously and it's a pity there was nobody there you could trust to help you. Next time you get that sick/faint/sobbing feeling - please phone a friend or family member you do trust and make them come get you.

    I wouldn't have asked the trainer for help either, and I would have stopped her from growling at my dog. Suggest you don't let people do that to your dog no matter how important or qualified they seem. Or how innocent or well meaning either. If your dog is not provoked and stays calm, your dog stays out of trouble.

    As for the lead thing, I suggest a few things:
    a horse lead rope is much less likely to damage a finger or give you burn than a thin webbing lead.
    sailing gloves - for wearing and protecting your hands if you are using a long line to practice, or put knots in the long line and step on it to slow the dog down. Be aware a big dog could still pull you over if you're not prepared. But if you time your call with when the dog reaches the end of the rope and then step off before you get pulled over, the dog will likely turn with the (temporary) resistance combined with the call. (here's hoping).

    Never wind a rope around your hand, wrist, elbow, finger. Experienced yachties will loop a rope across the palm of their hand back and forth so there is no loop around the hand, so if they have to let go in a hurry they can and it shouldn't catch around anything important. Wrapping a rope around your thumb to your elbow is a good way to get your forearm broken. Looping the rope loosely over the hand is better, but not foolproof, the folded rope is better. And any coiled rope can be dangerous if whatever is at the other end takes off, be it horse, dog, boat, mountain climber...

    And Asher might benefit from a front attach harness like one of these
    Dog Harness, Dog Training Supplies | Sense-ible and Sense-ation Dog Harness

    What makes it work is the front attach point. If the dog takes back, its own effort rotates it around the front attach pivot point and it ends up facing you. And you get extra leverage and power. Similar to if you take one end of the lead and loop it once around a tree or pole.

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    Hyacinth thank you for your informative advice. We have a horse shop nearby, will check out their leads. I actually bought a 20ft lunge lead but never thought of one for normal use.

    Had I been in better state of mind I probably would have stopped her growling at him. Last week I knew no better, this week she growled at Asher while he was sitting quietly. It was her who told us to use 6ft leads and hold the loop of the lead in our right hand a wrap it round at least once around our hand so that we had good hold of our dogs. But it doesn't matter anymore. I won't be seeing her again.


    GreysAreGreat yes I have had the surgery now and feeling sorry for myself...lol. I felt no pain at all until after the surgery, now its throbbing. Will have to show you .. hahaha .. I'll get a piccy of Asher, my girls and me. I make photos ugly ...

    Di_dee1 sure do. If I am gonna do anything gotta make sure I do a good job. Thank you for your well wishes.
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    mydogau

    Maybe you could ask your GP nicely for some post op anti inflamtories or pain killers? can you keep panadeine forte down? Or even asprin? It's better than nothing. I found feldene (anti inflamatory) worked best for me post op, and the "endones" made the pain go away but I had to lie down and sleep if I took one. I had knee surgery, they might considered over the top for finger op.

    Ice (frozen peas in a bag in a teatowel) 10 minutes on /off might help keep your mind off the pain too. Or I use those ice gel packs in an old hockey sock. though do make sure you keep the wound and bandage dry for the first 3 to 6 weeks (I forget exactly), the itching was hell towards the end of three weeks and I went back in for a very careful sterile dressing change. If it gets hot and itchy and unbearable - beware of infection. Ie don't ignore any unpleasant feeling that persists including numbness. If it goes numb you have 8 hours before you need amputation. Great...

    Hope they told you all that. Maybe do some internet searches on post op wound care?

    PS that's the thing about "going into shock" all ability to think clearly and make good decisions - goes away. Hence the need to find a friend and fast. Even if you just sit there and talk.

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