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    Quote Originally Posted by cate0404 View Post
    Got Jethro when he was 7 months, he was being shown by his breeder, I took him on to continue showing. He didn't work out in the show ring so is now a pet. Happy dog no issues but loopy as hell, wouldn't listen wouldn't do anything he didn't want to do.

    Got Millie from a rescue, 7/8 years, abused all or most of her life. Know no other history. Walks into Jethro's backyard and proceeds to tell him what to do and when. AND Jethro listens. I liken it to a mother telling her son off. She has never been aggressive in the normal every day things she just gets her point across.

    Jethro has been a better calmer dog since as she keeps him in line.
    No one has ever said there is no hierarchy between dogs living in a social group, whether in our homes, on the streets if stray, or wherever. This is what dogs establish among themselves, however, at home we have to be the ones they will look up for approval as sometimes things aren't the way you have them with Jethro and Millie.

    Millie is a resource guarder and will protect her food from him and have a go at him if he comes too close - BUT I can walk into the middle of a full on barney without saying a word and she will stop immediately. Then she will nose her food towards me, Jethro will sit and watch.
    That's great.

    Am I 'alpha' dog or is Millie? Or am I reading to much into it and Millie is top dog and I am just another resource?
    No, you're NOT alpha dog. You're a human who has obviously set good examples to Millie as a good leader - and she follows. That is exactly the way things should be. It's the same with my dogs. They have things between one another, but I am the one who sets the rules and guides them. I am the one who decides who will eat first for example. I am the one who creates the harmony at my home. All the dogs need is ballance and harmony, when they lack in it - problems occur. I do not nor ever will consider myself a "top dog", as I am not. But if you like that label - go for it

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    Cate it sounds like you are doing a marvelous job at keeping harmony in the house.

    Call yourself whatever you want.

    Also being a whippet owner, I have found the girls to be far more bossy than the sooky boys. This is also the opinion of other whippet breeders.

    The breeder of my boy has 3 entire males and unless there is a girl in season they are best of mates. Her girls push all the dogs around including the RR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Netty View Post
    Sometimes its better to get the dog to do the action so it over comes its fear , Its known as flooding... But it needs to be done correctly.

    Millan did it with a Dane in Season 1 who wouldn't walk on a slippery surface after the dog had a fall and a scare...
    Flooding should be a last, last, last resort. It is unreliable as it can reinforce fear avoidance response or worse create unrelated fears that become associated with the flooding event. Other, slow, boring and tv unfriendly methods have better track record of success without the infliction of unnecessary trauma.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fedra View Post
    There is NO SUCH THING as alpha dog, .
    Every scientific study done in the past 30 years seems to agree with you even a few that ironically enough were sponsored by National Geographic. You'd think they could avail Millan of some of these studies they funded so he could stop spreading this alpha nonsense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mouseandchicken View Post
    Cate it sounds like you are doing a marvelous job at keeping harmony in the house.

    Call yourself whatever you want.

    Also being a whippet owner, I have found the girls to be far more bossy than the sooky boys. This is also the opinion of other whippet breeders.

    The breeder of my boy has 3 entire males and unless there is a girl in season they are best of mates. Her girls push all the dogs around including the RR.
    I didn't know that - we are beagle people and I sidestepped into whippets as I always liked how they looked, I don't actually know that much about them (sad I know) only that I like them and their personalities. I always just thought Millie was bossier as Jethro has always been a sooky lala and Millie had a harder life so it's interesting that it's the breed rather than the individual dog in this case.

    Thanks everyone for the feed back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corinthian View Post
    Flooding should be a last, last, last resort. It is unreliable as it can reinforce fear avoidance response or worse create unrelated fears that become associated with the flooding event. Other, slow, boring and tv unfriendly methods have better track record of success without the infliction of unnecessary trauma.
    agreed, hence why i said it had to be done correctly. it can also create a situation of learned helplessness... Personally I would not use this method if i did not have to...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Corinthian View Post
    Every scientific study done in the past 30 years seems to agree with you even a few that ironically enough were sponsored by National Geographic. You'd think they could avail Millan of some of these studies they funded so he could stop spreading this alpha nonsense.
    Yeah... and lots and lots of people around the world use his bs methods Just reading forums I fill sick. And "sound" like a parrot repeating myself all the time
    I don't find NG nor Animal Planet all that great when it comes to dog behaviour issues, there are really quite a few shows that I like. I can imagine how misleading shows about other animals might be

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    I do like Cesar, but I only use one of his methods, which technically isnt his: making sure Dora walks beside me or a little behind, not in front. Which would be classified as heel, wouldnt it?
    Also, I do try and make sure Dora knows that I'm her leader, but she shows signs of submission (I think) when she comes to me - head slightly down, no eye contact, ears back, tail still (but not between her legs) - so so far, I think Im going good.
    Oh and Cate, congrats on the whole keeping your dogs in check... fingers crossed I can do that

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    I've been reading thro dis thread with laughter

    So what if a dog walks in front of it's owner, but isnt tugging etc but being obedient, that mean's to some that da dog is dominating lmfao

    My dogs have always walked in front of me with out tugg'n & i have no probs with that all, as i see it my dog is in front for 2 bloody reason's only, to protect me & cause they like to walk in front & be nosey sniffers etc

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aussie Floyd View Post
    I've been reading thro dis thread with laughter

    So what if a dog walks in front of it's owner, but isnt tugging etc but being obedient, that mean's to some that da dog is dominating lmfao

    My dogs have always walked in front of me with out tugg'n & i have no probs with that all, as i see it my dog is in front for 2 bloody reason's only, to protect me & cause they like to walk in front & be nosey sniffers etc
    If they arent walking YOU Im pretty sure they arent being 'dominant'.
    I want Dora to walk beside me because I don't want her in front of me. Simple as that.

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