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    Hyacinth.

    You make a very good point. What is important to one dog is not necessarily important to another. Resource guarding.

    Though I must admit my Gemma controls everything in regards to the other dogs in this family.

    This is a great forum full of passionate dog people with good knowledge. I'm not going to hand out the address to clients or I might go out of business.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aussiemyf7 View Post
    Everyone has to remember dogs are not people.
    Yes, we know that.

    They are dogs, they are pack animals.
    NOT NECESSERALLY. Dogs are quite happy and capable of functioning on their own as well as in a group (call it a " Dogs are social animals that may or may not form social groups without clear packing structure. Even wolves, with which we love to compare our dogs with, are completely different and do not have packsing order the way people still like to think they do.

    Most dogs from the age of 4 weeks go through a process called subordnation(sp?). Its the time of a pups life where they determine where they stand in their pack. Beginning with their fellow litter mates. Have you ever seen a mother dog nip, growl or push her babies around? She is letting the puppies know whose in charge.
    That's right. But then you will have to nip, growl and push your dog around. You won't nip it, I'm sure Mother bitch never shakes pups the way we people do it.

    The alpha dog in a pack get everything they want. And thats what you need to be as a leader.
    It's a bit complex to explain and debate here on this, because the term "alpha" is wrong. It's drawn from the fact that dogs are descendents of wolves. However wolves, as I said, do not function the way you think. And no, alpha does not get what they want in terms you think they do. "Alpha" gives more than it takes

    Here's a clip of David L. Mech, he'll explain better than I will, google and see for yourself who he is
    YouTube - "Alpha" Wolf?

    I'll probly get flamed, but I have no problem with the use of alpha rolling. I never used it with my dogs - I never needed too, but I have used an alpha bite with numerous pups in the vet.
    You won't get flamed, I'll just say it's silly

    If you try to push your dog off the couch and he growls at you, do you really think that is a training issue?
    Has a lot to do with it. I n 99 % cases it is not a dominance issue.

    No, he is showing you whose boss.
    As I said, not quite.

    Dogs are not equal to humans, the thrive with a leader.
    So lead them, show them and teach them manners without being rough, obnoxious and threathening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lavisy View Post
    Some dogs will walk all over you if you dont show some control/leadership/dominance or whatever you want to call it. Its all the same thing. You may say, well with my dog iv never needed to show any "dominance", thats probably because your dog is naturally submissive and your demeanor is leadership material naturally.
    I'd put it this way - some dogs are more pushy than others and they need a leader more stubborn then themselves. Which doesn't mean you have to be rough, just more persistant. It takes strong personality to handle strong personality. If you are for example a person that does not stand her ground firmly, you might have issues with a dog such as rottweiler, doberman etc...
    I believe this is a sound theory, along with many others. Someone on here said Millan is not a dog psychologist, true, there isnt any such thing really but I believe he comes close to being one.
    He's miles away from it. He's no clue. And yes, psychologist would be wrong term. Behaviourist more likely, but he's nowhere near that title.

    His techniques in my opinion work,
    he ends up with a balanced dog
    , when once they wernt. This leads to a happy dog which is what we all want at the end of the day.
    He ends up with frightened dog. In my opinion, a bomb waiting to explode. He does not tackle the issue from the start, he quick-fixes the problem on the surface. The real-deal behaviourist analyses the animal, goes deep into the problem and solves it from the begining. It is and it could be longer process. Milan thrives on quick fixes, and that's what sucks apart from his rough methods.

    Hyacinth, good post, thank you!
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    Anyone tell me right now why some dogs behave better with some people, then they do with others.
    Education not Legislation

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    To be honest its difficult to say what he is completely because we only see him in a 30 minute episode, edited for TV. Im sure he isnt the "quick fix" person in his own time say in his dog park where he takes dogs to try and rehabilitate them. At the end of the day we see him give advice and start the process off. I dont think any of the families hes helped think the dog is fixed as soon as he leaves the door, they know its a work in progress and he just sets them up.

    I agree that it can lead to the false sense that dog training is easy especially with hard
    cases but I suppose thats TV for you. But he does have some good things to say and my dogs have benefited from it with no rough methods at all.

    On a side note I will look up the pack leader/wolf theory and have a look at the other side of things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aussiemyf7 View Post
    Anyone tell me right now why some dogs behave better with some people, then they do with others.
    Pardon Myf? Why you asking that? You would know the answer to that very well, I would think

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    I just wanted to thank the OP, this is a really interesting thread with some wonderful insite (sp?) into the canine psyche.

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    Am I being naieve DA?
    I don't quite understand what you mean.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aussiemyf7 View Post
    Am I being naieve DA?
    I don't quite understand what you mean.
    No, you're not, should have stated my question more clearly.

    You asked others a question, or are you being rhetorical? I ask because I would expect you would personally know the answer to the question you asked better than most everyday ppl.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aussiemyf7 View Post
    Anyone tell me right now why some dogs behave better with some people, then they do with others.
    because some people smell more of sausage than other

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