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    Quote Originally Posted by Di_dee1 View Post
    Dede rang me a few days ago. A friend of her daughter's had a 5 week old Maltese pup. Not only that she found that this family had THREE of them from the same litter. It DOES happen and I personally hate how some here judge so fast with people's posts.
    ^^^^I fully agree with this - if this person has come here for help then it is not a very nice welcoming - and if it is troll then it will soon go away if everyone keeps their cool and doesn't start a slanging match.

    As has been said above we would need to know when the pup is crated and a short version of the pups routine to be of any help.

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    Well my boys are home soon so I will have to go, so will start with a couple of ideas until OP returns.

    I get the feeling that you are locking the puppy in the crate. Is that correct, or not?
    If so, I would NEVER shut pup up in crate. The carte should be her safe zone, her bed, the place she can go to when she needs to sleep, rest or feels insecure.
    It should have the door open all the time so she CAN ACCESS an area where she can urinate and deficate. This must be an area that is close to her crate, as she's just not gonna make it if it's a good distance away.

    Like Di said, puppies will usually have the need to wee very soon after waking, after playing, after eating, after drinking. A pup of this age could not go for longer than an hour. I think that is even too long.

    Just keep taking puppy at these times to the designated area, and give her time to do her business. If she does, praise her like billy-o! Do not scold or anything if she has an accident - it is not her fault. It is ours for not getting her to her toilet area on time.
    Hope that helps somwhat.

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    Immediately on waking. If I go out there and they are asleep, they wake, pee, THEN mob me.

    Any posts made under the name of Di_dee1 one can be used by anyone as I do not give a rats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Di_dee1 View Post
    Immediately on waking. If I go out there and they are asleep, they wake, pee, THEN mob me.
    I'm human and I do that too. Without the mobbing part of course.

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    hi its anne here no i am real lol demi was bought from a breeder
    demi was 7wks old when i got her she is now 10wks old
    first time on here so maybe i made a mistake in the way i typed this up
    yes i take her out lots every few hours during the night as she wets her bed[now bks say she shouldnt[ thats why i was asking
    during the day she is let outside and i sit with her
    saying go wee putting her in the garden on and off
    she plays with my 18mth old multese
    give her feed and then out for wee
    crate her for a hr here and there during the day

    hope all this makes sense

    now to confuse u more lol gizmo multesex ****uzi bought from non breeder
    my 18mth old has a problem even the vet cannt fix

    he had his anal glands and desexed 12mths old
    had to have tonsils out after many bougts of it {my vet could live off what ive spent on my dogs over the years}
    now he is still getting infected glands and re infections has been on antibiotics so much we cannt keep giving them to him vet says going to try antinflamitorys he was the runt of the litter so i fell in love with him
    any suggestions on what to give him to build up his natural immune sys
    both my dogs are inside dogs loved and looked after lots
    thak u anne

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    anne of gizmo and demi

    I find your post very difficult to read. I find posts with whole words with mostly correct spelling, and all words in sentences included - easier to read.

    I take it your main problem is at night time when the dog wets the bed. If you don't wake up every couple of hours, you will need to set an alarm because the dog is too young to know to bark to wake you up before it pees. It might do that when it is six months old. Mine was about 16 to 20 weeks before she'd sleep all night without needing to go outside. And that involved me doing the right thing with timing of dinner, water, and exercise.

    Even though Maltese are small and mature young, I can't imagine a responsible registered breeder letting a puppy go before it is at least 8 weeks old - because of the socialization problems that happen when they send out puppies too young. And you can't take the puppy out in public to socialise until it's had all it's booster vaccinations for C5/C6. That's usually around 3 months old.

    I cannot figure out from what you wrote if your other dog has had his anal glands out or not. If they're repeatedly getting infected, might want to get them out, if they're already out and you're still getting infections, you might want to find a new vet or get your current one to fix it since the infection was likely caused by the operation.

    How to build immune system? I would need more information on what you are currently feeding your dog, you might want to find something that is better quality or has more variety. Also give your dogs a few minutes every day in the sunlight to make sure they get their vitamin D quota. 10 minutes in the mornings should be enough. But a 30 minute walk or play would be better for the adult dog. The puppy shouldn't be exercised so much at once until it is older.

    And I'm wondering if you feel you need to ask us to help instead of the vet, that again, maybe you need a new vet. One that does puppy pre-school. Take your new puppy to puppy pre-school (assuming it is at least 10 weeks old).

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    Yeah, you did make a mistake in the what you said. She was 7 weeks old, and you have had her for two weeks. Now she is 10 weeks old and you have had her for three weeks.

    Which is it?

    I'm sorry, but I tend to agree with Hyacinth's comments and find your form of posting too difficult to decipher.
    You never actually answered my questions relating to whether she was locked in the crate, and all that... so...???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil's Advocate View Post
    Yeah, you did make a mistake in the what you said. She was 7 weeks old, and you have had her for two weeks. Now she is 10 weeks old and you have had her for three weeks.

    Which is it?

    I'm sorry, but I tend to agree with Hyacinth's comments and find your form of posting too difficult to decipher.
    You never actually answered my questions relating to whether she was locked in the crate, and all that... so...???
    She said she crates her dog for an hour here or there during the day. I question the size of the crate though...she said it is a small kitten crate...could it possibly be too small to use for crating?!?

    You might have got her from a breeder...but I beg to differ if it is a responsible breeder due to you getting your pup at 7 weeks, but I could be wrong.

    Anne...you can not expect your tiny puppy to hold it in the crate at such a young age. By crating your puppy and "allowing" the soiling...you are making it a lot harder to actually using the "crate" as a toilet training aid. I would consider having puppy in the laundry at night with bed and newspaper instead and ONLY use the crate during the day for SHORT periods of time. Crate training should be done slowly and correctly.

    We have crate trained our show dogs. They must be used to crates due to safety at show grounds. For the first couple of months we didn't even close the door to the crate. Our dogs needed to see the crate as something good and as their "special" place...their safe haven. We DID NOT allow our dogs in their crates during the night until they had been pee and poop free for at least 2 weeks at night in the laundry.

    Now....when they have been out for their last toilet....all I have to say is "go to bed" and they trot off to their individual crates.

    Please read this....from information booklet I have started to write:

    Crate training and house breaking

    Many experienced dog breeders and owners use crate training to house break a puppy. If you use this method, you must keep in mind that crating a dog is not at all a cruel thing to do, if done properly. Our dogs here love to go to their crates when they want to sleep. The MAJOR point to remember is that crating should never be used as punishment when puppy has done something wrong. We say “go to bed” and they know they have to go in their crates. You can find heaps of information on the Internet regarding crate training too.

    The type of crate you are using is not nearly as important as the size you use (we prefer hard wire, powder coated, collapsible crates...you can get them at PetStock and PetBarn). The crate should be just barely big enough for you dog to stand up and turn around. Don't think you are making it better for your dog by getting a larger crate...if it's any larger, you are asking for trouble! If the crate is too big...this will give puppy an opportunity to relieve himself inside the crate. If you don't want to buy different sizes as puppy grows up...buy one that will fit puppy when he is an adult and then use a proper crate divider to make the inside of the crate smaller. There should be just enough space for puppy's bed and nothing else (do not leave any space for puppy to roam, because that is when accidents happen). Dogs, by a rule, do not soil where they sleep (just like the wolves will not use their den as a toilet).

    If you use the crate at night...bear in mind that your little baby puppy can not hold on for 8 hours, so you will need to set your alarm clock for some point during the night...take puppy out...let him relieve himself and put back in the crate to sleep. I have never had any problems house breaking a puppy. The main points are...NEVER scold your puppy for relieving himself on your floor/carpets etc. If puppy pees and/or poops inside...it is YOUR fault for not picking up on the signs eg circling a spot...sniffing the ground etc. They don't do it to be naughty or spiteful! NEVER rub puppy's nose in it...he will associate relieving himself as something negative...it will set back any progress you have done and he will just hide behind your lounge or bed and do it there instead. The best thing to use to clean up pee residue etc is white vinegar. Don't go out and spend heaps on products such as “Piss off” or “Urine Off” etc...white vinegar does a better job...dogs don't like the smell of white vinegar and it will save you a lot of money. As a rule...when puppy is just a baby...take him out after every meal...after he has been sleeping and after playing and then every ½ hour when awake. Tell him to “go toilet” when he is relieving himself and PRAISE like he just won the gold medal at the Olympics when he has done his thing!!! Trust me...having a dog that can go to the toilet on command is VERY handy when it is bucketing down rain and you want him to hurry up

    Crate training is also very handy if you want to show your dog. You will need a crate to confine your dog in at the shows, so you can just as well start when he is little. Give him a proper sized bone inside the crate with the door open. When you can see he is comfortable being in the crate...you can start closing the door for short periods of time.

    A word of advice though...if puppy starts screaming when he is in the crate with the door closed...DO NOT GIVE IN AND LET HIM OUT...IGNORE THE BEHAVIOUR! Only let puppy out when he is calm and not seeking your attention. If you let him out while he is screaming...trust me, the next time he will scream even louder and longer for your attention.

    The same thing goes if you put puppy in the laundry for the night. I suggest you put on a set of headphones with some loud music, because a puppy can scream so it sounds like you are killing it.

    IGNORE the screaming...DO NOT go back in to the laundry until the morning when you are ready.
    It shouldn't take more than 5-7 days for puppy to realise that you will not be coming back for him when he screams for your attention and he will go to sleep when you put him to bed. Make sure you have a set routine so puppy knows what is happening and why it is happening. Don't make a big fuss when you open the door in the morning, because that will just increase his anxiety levels. Just open the door and take him directly outside to relieve himself

    Crate training will also come in VERY handy if your puppy injures itself and needs to be confined and kept immobile for safety reasons. It is a lot easier to keep a puppy still in a crate than in a dog bed placed in the house...especially if there are other dogs present or small children.


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    So that means she locks the puppy inside the crate, with no open door? I asked Cleas cause I'd get shot down if I assumed.
    I guess I just don't understand why anyone would need to lock their little puppy in a crate? Help me out here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil's Advocate View Post
    So that means she locks the puppy inside the crate, with no open door? I asked Cleas cause I'd get shot down if I assumed.
    I guess I just don't understand why anyone would need to lock their little puppy in a crate? Help me out here?
    DA...I didn't say you were assuming anything.

    I don't understand why you would lock a tiny puppy in a crate either! Sure...getting them used to it by having the door open, but not locking them in there...no!

    Anne...you need to study how crate training is supposed to be done...and it ain't with locking them in there an hour here and an hour there...no wonder puppy is soiling the crate.

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