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    trainer flipper her over on to her back and held her down, and then put her away from the other dogs to cool off.
    Were you there? Holding a dog down when it's upside down is called "alpha rolling" and is very controversial. Cesar Milan dog whisperer likes it but other "experts" think it is a really bad thing, ie can make any fear aggression worse. I'd be looking for a different trainer.

    If the other puppies were squealing and yours was not backing off, then I'd agree with this trainer that it was an attempted "maul" although it's not clear if it was a malicious effort or just puppy that needs better soft mouth training with other puppies.

    She definitely needs lots of time with lots of puppies or slightly older dogs to learn to play nice. It is good she's not interested in biting you guys. There are some types of dogs that are completely good with their family and will never bite them no matter what but are quite happy to attack other dogs. I grew up with one of these a labrador bull terrier cross. As children we could take bones out of his mouth and sit on him, but I was told stories about nasty things he did to other dogs. Blue Heelers and Staffies are often like this, your cattle dog cross may be as well. I guess it depends if you trust it absolutely with you or if you want a dog that is "dog aggressive".

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    Blue heelers are not often like this. As with any breed it is in the temperament and/or handling. Generalisations should not be made about any breed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyacinth View Post
    Blue Heelers and Staffies are often like this, your cattle dog cross may be as well. I guess it depends if you trust it absolutely with you or if you want a dog that is "dog aggressive".
    Look...I don't think Staffies are like this either. Responsible breeders have done a lot of work to eliminate this unwanted trait. I think all dogs can become dog aggressive.

    None of my staffies are dog aggressive

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    I agree handling has a lot to do with it. But I think with these breeds more than some others, if the owner doesn't socialise enough/at all, they're more likely to have problems with other dogs and strangers.

    I suppose anecdotes are not evidence, but I've got plenty of experience with the dog aggressive sort. And I think with this particular dog, if they don't put every effort in now, it might be fine with the family and not with anybody or any doggy else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyacinth View Post
    I agree handling has a lot to do with it. But I think with these breeds more than some others, if the owner doesn't socialise enough/at all, they're more likely to have problems with other dogs and strangers.

    I suppose anecdotes are not evidence, but I've got plenty of experience with the dog aggressive sort. And I think with this particular dog, if they don't put every effort in now, it might be fine with the family and not with anybody or any doggy else.
    Handling has a lot to do with ANY breed.

    Totally agree though that this dog needs every effort now. Good luck. Hugs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ralley_girl View Post
    Hi all,

    We rescued a pup from up north of WA over a week ago - see pics here (http://www.dogforum.com.au/general-d...es-breeds.html). The first week she showed some typical dominant signs (barging through the door first, growling when we told her off etc.) but we did a lot of research and changed our training and behaviour towards her and she's come a long way in a week and now we think she knows her place in our "pack" (i.e. very loved but at the bottom).

    While she's very good with humans and runs up to them for kisses and licks at the park, she's very agressive towards other dogs (of all sizes but mainly small ones of course). This was confirmed last night at puppy pre-school by the trainer who said she was showing fear-agression. She growls, barks and snaps at other dogs, and doesn't know how to play with them (SAFE separated the puppies from their litter at a very young age to foster them out), so she hasn't leaned typical puppy behaviour and play.

    She's fine with my parents labrador although she snaps occasionally and pushes him off his bed and takes his food, and he's too nice and polite to do anything about it (we tell her off and put her outside or in the "naughty room"). I don't want to take her near a stronger more fiesty dog though in case she becomes even mroe scared. Should I keep her around the friendly lab until they learn to get along and she learns he won't harm/fight her?

    We will be taking her to further dog training and obedience once puppy school is over, but does anyone have any suggestions of what else we can do? We take treats to the park and reward her when she just sniffs other dogs.

    Alternatively, does anyone know or can recommend any good behaviour trainers in Perth?

    I want to make sure this dog agression gets controlled NOW, and before she grows into a full-sized dog. I just hope it can be controlled and I know it's up to us. Don't want to have to send her away once we have kids because we didn't master it when she was a puppy.

    Thanks, sorry for long post.

    Lauren (and Ralley - kelpie x heeler x dingo x ???)
    Hi Ralley_Girl

    I was wondering...is this your first puppy/dog?

    The reason I am asking is...it might be a too big a job for you...having a "problem" dog like this. It takes huge commitment...loads of training etc etc.

    Like I have said earlier...I would be very concerned...especially if you are considering having a baby next year.

    You have to weigh everything up. A puppy showing these traits already...might just be a too big of a task for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleasanta View Post
    Hi Ralley_Girl

    I was wondering...is tis your first puppy/dog?

    The reason I am asking is...it might be a big job for you...having a "problem" dog like this. It takes huge commitment...loads of training etc etc.

    Like I have said earlier...I would be very concerned...especially if you are considering having a baby next year.

    You have to weigh everything up. A puppy showing these traits already...might just be a too big of a task for you.
    Oh God, I'm glad someone said it!

    The above post by Cleasanta are my sentiments exactly.

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    We, of course can't know the entire situation but I am with the others that it may be a problem. There is never any guarantee that a pup/dog will work out (hugs DA) It is often no one's fault either. Just not a good gel of dog and owner/family due to some of its traits.

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    hey Ralley,

    I'm a tad worried. How are things getting on?

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    Hi everyone, thank you for support. You don't know how much it means! We have spoken with an animal behaviour expert that SAFE uses in Karratha and after telling me to let Ralley sleep in our bedroom I decided not to listen to any more of her advice.

    Ralley does bite Dan and I, not in a "playful" way but quite hard when we tell her off or pick her up to remove her from what she's doing. I don't believe she has a stable temperament unfortuantely, perhaps through fear or anxiety, or instinct/breeding... we'll never really know.

    We have, therefore, decided that although we love her and have become very attached to her in the 2 weeks we've had her, it's just not going to work out for both us or for her. She has the potential to become a lovely dog with a couple or older family who might have more experience with this type of dog.

    SAFE have already put her back on their site today and we are fostering her until we find a new owner (or SAFE will take her back after 2 weeks). Dennie is Ralley's original name and there are photos of us with her at the beach. Dennie

    I will make sure we tell any interested owners about her behaviour, it's our responsbility for them and for Ralley so she doesn't end up moving from home to home.

    Makes me sick even thinking about this because I have become very attached to her but I know it's the right thing to do. Both Dan and I have had dogs before as kids and with our families (labs and border collies) but we really wanted to try and rescue a puppy from a tough life.


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