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    Hi all,

    New to the forum, but not new to dogs!

    It amazes me how many people still use choker chains on their dogs.

    Choker chains do as they say, choke the dog!
    Not only do they cause neck problems but the negative response to being pulled away from something e.g. another dog, creates a negative/aggresive instinct to that thing!

    I would rather use, A harness for little dogs and halti' for a larger dogs or leather lined collars for dogs who don't pull.

    As you can see I am very against them, just wanting too see what other peoples opinions are?


    Jaz

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    Yeah i agree i dont think people should use them, if you have a large dog that is strong i think a harness is the best method.

    Other than that a simple wide collar will do the wider the better, as it puts less force on the dogs neck.

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    Harnesses on certain breeds trigger an instinctive pull response, so can be dangerous (as those type of working breeds are usually large and strong).
    I don't use check chains, but have in the past. They are for checking, not for choking. If they are put on the right way they can never choke.
    A correct check on a dogs neck is far less damaging than continual pressure on their throat area from a collar when a dog is a bad puller.
    I would rather a dog trained properly and sensitively to walk without pulling than it live in a backyard and never get out for a walk as no-one can control it. Or worse, a dog get injured if it pulls away from it's owner near roads etc.
    I think they have their place with people who know what they're doing. Only in certain cases though - most dogs only need a collar, halti or a slip lead.
    In saying that, I get concerned about the unnecessary use of face harnesses on dogs which can interfere with breathing and panting if not used carefully...
    Last edited by Nattylou; 10-02-2008 at 06:23 PM.

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    Welcome to the forum and Prepare to be amazed....

    With kimba I tried a collar and she pulled.
    I tried a halti and she fought so hard she slipped out of it.
    I tried a harness and she dragged me.
    I tried a check chain and She stays with me. She no longer pulls.
    The noise of the chain triggers her to slow down (doesn't even have to tighten.)

    Before Kimba I never used them, (however never judged people that did) Until Kimba is trained I will continue to use it. She is too big and Strong for her to be dragging me towards people, dogs and other things.

    I didn't have Kimba from a pup and got her as an untrained 1 year old and it has been really hard at times trying to train her from scratch, this has worked best for both of us.

    IMO Check Chains used correctly are NOT a problem. I would never hurt or choke my dog!

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    My rottie wears very fine chain choker. It looks really pretty on her strong masculine body. I really don't choke her as she's really polite in public and never pulls, so it's jut a decoration on my dog hehe
    But yeah, in training I don't really agree with chokers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sharoo View Post
    Welcome to the forum and Prepare to be amazed....

    With kimba I tried a collar and she pulled.
    I tried a halti and she fought so hard she slipped out of it.
    I tried a harness and she dragged me.
    I tried a check chain and She stays with me. She no longer pulls.
    The noise of the chain triggers her to slow down (doesn't even have to tighten.)

    Before Kimba I never used them, (however never judged people that did) Until Kimba is trained I will continue to use it. She is too big and Strong for her to be dragging me towards people, dogs and other things.

    I didn't have Kimba from a pup and got her as an untrained 1 year old and it has been really hard at times trying to train her from scratch, this has worked best for both of us.

    IMO Check Chains used correctly are NOT a problem. I would never hurt or choke my dog!
    In some instances such as yours a chocker chain is fine although i feel its better not to use one if you dont have too.

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    I have trained all 6 of my dogs with a CORRECTION Chain and put on correctly and used correctly it does not choke or cause neck injuries to the dog. Half and hour of lead training in a correction chain with a gentle but sharp snap of the chain will have most dogs trotting along on a loose lead. Even strongest and most unruley dog will listen and check on a correction chain. I have found that my dogs have done nothing but pull with a halti. I certainly didnt feel I had the control of a fully grown large strong male dog.
    I have bred and shown and done obedience for many years and have found a Correction chain the best method although I alway feel the need to tell someone when they have a correction chain on the wrong way, most novice people once you explain to them how a correction chain works and how to put it on, trot off with their dog doing the right thing.
    Last edited by colladal; 10-06-2008 at 03:41 PM. Reason: Added to post

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    How rue,so few people know how to correctly put on and use a correction chain.They should come with a large instruction sheet imo.
    I have had very much success with Haltis and /or Gentle Leaders.I had a sheepdog who would simply pull,I had done the distraction,the turnaround go the other way,dog training classes,she was perfect in every other way.I bought a Gentle Leader,she hated it with a passion.After 3 walks,all I had to do was show her the GL,clip it to her lead where the collar clips,not even put it on her,and she never pulled again.Different strokes for different dogs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaz_i View Post
    Hi all,

    New to the forum, but not new to dogs!

    It amazes me how many people still use choker chains on their dogs.

    Choker chains do as they say, choke the dog!
    Not only do they cause neck problems but the negative response to being pulled away from something e.g. another dog, creates a negative/aggresive instinct to that thing!

    I would rather use, A harness for little dogs and halti' for a larger dogs or leather lined collars for dogs who don't pull.

    As you can see I am very against them, just wanting too see what other peoples opinions are?


    Jaz

    I dont like them either nasty stuff from my experience. i gave it away 12 yrs ago and just stick to flat collars or a easy walk harness to train for loose lead walking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nattylou View Post
    Harnesses on certain breeds trigger an instinctive pull response, so can be dangerous (as those type of working breeds are usually large and strong).
    I don't use check chains, but have in the past. They are for checking, not for choking. If they are put on the right way they can never choke.
    A correct check on a dogs neck is far less damaging than continual pressure on their throat area from a collar when a dog is a bad puller.
    I would rather a dog trained properly and sensitively to walk without pulling than it live in a backyard and never get out for a walk as no-one can control it. Or worse, a dog get injured if it pulls away from it's owner near roads etc.
    I think they have their place with people who know what they're doing. Only in certain cases though - most dogs only need a collar, halti or a slip lead.

    I agree. Before my bull arab...I had a cattle x kelpie and she had a very fine CHECK chain for obedience trials that never tightened...she was always at heel...even through her puppy days..she was a natural heeler!

    With my mini foxy...he has a harness...he just doesn't need a check chain which would cause him to cough anyway! (the kids walk him ...so the harness is definatley the best thing to use in that case..I wouldn't let a child use a check chain).

    My bull arab started out with a half check chain (it's one of the new collars...half collar, half check chain) and she was going really well with it until we started going to the offleash area!!! She's also bigger and stronger, mix that with her excitement...she just pulled and each time I checked her back, she'd be pulling again So I got her the halti and OMG...she walks beautifully now

    I definatley agree that each and every dog is different to train..it's a matter of trial and error...finding the RIGHT collar for YOUR dog

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