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    K9: Hi Guys, I thought I would start a new thread after reading some misconceptions in the Ceasar Millan thread http://www.dogforum.com.au/general-d...sar-milan.html

    Prong collars have been around for many years & as long as they have been around, there has been comments about the look of them.

    To set things straight, they look NASTY! But, they dont have to be nasty.

    In fact they are one of the best training tools on the market as they can allow the dog to be trained without using enormous amounts of strength.

    I have an article on my website that can give a good run down on the tool & its uses see it here K9 Force Professional Dog Training & Behaviour Consultancy

    If anyone has not used one I would be happy to explain more about their uses.

    In the other thread, there was mention that a dog got its teeth stuck in a prong collar, this can happen, just like it can happen with any collar.

    Look forward to hearing your feedback.
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    Prong collars, Why??

    Why use such fooking barbaric things.

    If anyone has not used one I would be happy to explain more about their uses.


    No thanks, im no way interested in your excuse for using such barbaric collar on my dogs & have no intention of doing so.

    FIY there are other more humane ways to train dogs, perhaps you haven't heard about it, it's applied by showing KINDNESS, LOVE, RESPECT & PATIENCE.

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    As I said in that same thread, im sure it does and can work, but there are better devices on the market in my opinion. Why cause discomfort for a dog when there are easier options?
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    Actualy I think they area great device! In the right hands
    It needs to be used correctly by someone who know what they are doing.

    They are much kinder to the dog then a check chain.
    A 30 minute walk with your dog near choking itself and the other half of the time beeing reefed whilst being 'checked'.
    Real safe and pleasant.

    The prong needs only be used in short sharp bursts,the dogs dont pull against it all the time,they learn that pulling instead of calmly walking is bad crap really quickly.
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    Totally agree chop, i had a check chain, didnt do nothing except what you described.

    i think in hands of someone with the knowlegde of how to use them, they would be a great training tool

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    [QUOTE=Aussie Floyd;27127]Prong collars, Why??

    Why use such fooking barbaric things.

    K9: what makes you think they are barbaric? Perhaps you can share your experience with them & help us learn why you think they are babaric?



    If anyone has not used one I would be happy to explain more about their uses.


    No thanks, im no way interested in your excuse for using such barbaric collar on my dogs & have no intention of doing so.

    K9: Ok, first I doint need an excuse & wasnt offering one, second no one said anything about putting one on your dog and if your not interested in hearing about prong collars, why reply to the thread?

    Do you wish to stop anyoine hearoing about their success in case it proves you wrong?

    FIY
    K9: lol do you mean FYI, (four your information?)

    there are other more humane ways to train dogs,
    K9: what makes you think that training a dog by humane standards is the right way? dogs arent human.

    perhaps you haven't heard about it, it's applied by showing KINDNESS, LOVE, RESPECT & PATIENCE.
    K9: Perhaps you can enlighten us more with how many dogs you have trained?
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    I don't even use a SIMPLE COLLAR unless I have to!!! I trained my Mimi without any devices or treats and without much effort. She is VERY well behaved and comes when I call her, listens to everything I say and UNDERSTANDS what I want from her. I will NEVER use force (whether slight or heavy) with any of my pets!! Mimi's papers state (true or false) she is a Bull Terrier. She is the gentlest, happiest, friendliest (she licked a baby's face on the beach yesterday) and most intelligent pet I have ever had. Please do not advocate the use of these devices... it is so scary to know that people use them. If I were a dog, I would get so mad every time I am zapped or pronged!!

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    Humane doesn't mean human standards FYI
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    As I said in that same thread, im sure it does and can work, but there are better devices on the market in my opinion.
    K9: Well I dont rememeber saying that I thought the prong was the only tool that could be used, but whilst were talking on the subject., what tools are better, in your opinion of course.


    Why cause discomfort for a dog when there are easier options?
    K9: Well dogs are hedonists, pleasure seekiung & pain avoiding,. when you have a dog that already has a path to success & offering better rewards isnt an option, to guide a dog into the learning mode & create behaviour plasticity, discomfort is the only option.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mimi1 View Post
    I don't even use a SIMPLE COLLAR unless I have to!!!
    K9: & I wont use a prong unless I have to, but were not talking about just your dog, were talking about everry dfog.

    I trained my Mimi without any devices or treats and without much effort.
    K9" thats great to hear, can you train every dog to the same reliability, regardless of age, breed, drive & previous history?

    She is VERY well behaved and comes when I call her, listens to everything I say and UNDERSTANDS what I want from her. I will NEVER use force (whether slight or heavy) with any of my pets!!
    K9: Never say never.

    Mimi's papers state (true or false) she is a Bull Terrier.
    K9: & what does that mean or what is it supposed to mean?

    She is the gentlest, happiest, friendliest (she licked a baby's face on the beach yesterday) and most intelligent pet I have ever had.
    K9: & if she wasnt all of those things and your training method without a collar didnt work, what would you do?

    Please do not advocate the use of these devices... it is so scary to know that people use them.
    K9" There is no need to be scared & as an open forum, everyone deserves the right to education, even if it doesnt fall into the realms of what you agree with.

    If I were a dog, I would get so mad every time I am zapped or pronged!!
    K9: Well thats ba figment of your imagination, as I have seen thousands of dogs trained on prong collars, I can tell or show you that they dont....
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