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    #77...GREAT post Cleasanta!

    Your post is a perfect example of what we can all learn from each other if we listen.

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    Hi Aussiemyf,

    That GL worked beaut for Lady. I think Laura has had success with the GL too (not sure, I think?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by aussiemyf7 View Post
    No, she doesn't.
    We haven't walked in a GL for at least 4 years.
    I have read through your post and this is actually the first time you mention that you do not use the GL anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aussiemyf7 View Post
    Oh, my, god.

    Ok I'll start from the beginning yeah? Lady was a terrible leash walker. I used my same technique with a normal collar. Didn't work. I couldn't even get her to my side. Got a GL, used it for about 2 weeks everyday using the same technique. After the two weeks, she would heel without the GL.
    We no longer use a Gentle Leader and she heels perfectly.
    and like I said...you never said that! You said she stopped pulling and would walk/heel at your side. No mention of not using it for 4 years and that she doesn't pull without the GL.

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    hmmm i dont know, i mean i understand how the collar works from a behaviour modification perspective, however its the use of punishment as a motivator that i do not agree with. i also do not understand how some people can argue against the use of haltis and check chains but advocate the use of the prong collar. it makes no sense if you do not like the afore mentioned collars becuase of the possible pain and discomfort the cause the dog then why advocate the use of a collar which causes pain if not more so?
    also remember that your dog has been cooped up all day behaving its self, and when you go out for a walk it should be a relaxing experience for both you and your dog. i hardly see how the dog can relax and enjoy its walk if its worried about being pinched on the sensitive skin around his neck.
    positive and negative re enforcement are better methods im my opinion for training an animal. some of the previous posts demonstrate lack of knowledge and ignorance about animal behaviour and learning and it scares me that people would use these collars without knowing how their dog learns and responds to punishment.

    there was a justification that dogs are pleasure/ reward seekers and avoid pain thats why these collars are so good and so on, however most animals including humans are the same. it doesnt mean that we use pain to modify behaviour i think it is just wrong and that it is taking the easy way out. sure if you cause enough discomfort ad pain you could get any animal to modify its behaviour. but through fear of the consequence and not through learnt good behaviour.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aussiemyf7 View Post
    Too much for me to reply too, but I'll say...

    - A halti and a gentle leader are two different things. Its a yes for gentle leaders, and a no for haltis(IMO)
    -I have dealt with messed up necks due to prong collars.
    -As I have said twice, and Occy has backed me up. Im sure they work but there are better alternatives. I think it should be a last resort. Lady was a hideous leash walker until her GL, and now she walks beautifully without. It does train.
    -I only use negative 'punishment', when I know the dogs knows what he/she is doing, and that it is wrong. Never during the learning process.
    Quote Originally Posted by Cleasanta View Post
    There is a difference between fixing a problem and managing a problem.

    Fixing a problem would be...you have a dog that pulls you down the street. You put on GL...say heel to your dog and she walks by your side. After a couple of weeks doing this and dog is walking great...you take GL off and she is STILL heeling at your side...walking without pulling!

    Managing is just that. It manages the problem, but as soon as you take the GL off and try walking your dog on a plain collar...they drag you down the street again.

    Yes...it works, but it hasn't trained your dog to be polite and walk nicely...it has managed your problem.
    Quote Originally Posted by aussiemyf7 View Post
    Im not sure I understand this 100%
    Going by what your saying I have fixed Lady's problem?

    Hmmmmm.
    Education not Legislation

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil's Advocate View Post
    #77...GREAT post Cleasanta!

    Your post is a perfect example of what we can all learn from each other if we listen.
    Thanx DA

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    Quote Originally Posted by aussiemyf7 View Post
    Hmmmmm.
    I take my comment back and apologise...you did mention it

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    DA, i have used a halti (not sure if this is the same as a gentle leader) and have stopped due to my shep disliking it greatly. i used the halti mainly because she is a rescue and very unpredictable around other dogs and using the halti i could shut her mouth if i needed to (which i havent). she is not a pully dog, so that was not an issue but i have seen them used with dogs that pull. the halti i used allowed the dog to pant and open her jaw normally and if she lunged or pulled it would close her mouth (not pinch) and i would be able to break her eyecontact by gentley turning her around to face me

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    Quote Originally Posted by laura77 View Post
    i also do not understand how some people can argue against the use of haltis and check chains but advocate the use of the prong collar. .
    You can argue if it is proven that those collars cause injuries to our dogs and the prong collars do not.

    I haven't seen the results of the investigation that was done, but Steve might be able to tell you further

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