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    Quote Originally Posted by silvershadowwolf24 View Post
    Does that mean I can ask you to stop posting in this thread because your posts are unhelpful and don't bring anything new to the table? They consist of something along the lines of "I am against prong collars because they are barbaric and cruel", and this is said over and over.

    No it doesn't. Really, if this thread annoys you so much, why do you keep coming back?
    did i say the op should have stopped posting at the begining or at all??

    NO

    i said that arguing about this topic is usless if no new info is brought to the table..

    i stopped posting because i had nothing new to add, appart from reiterating my opinion that p collars are cruel. and then i had something else to add which was that the argument was going around in circles and was boring....soooo i added it...and then you jumped down my throat because you dont agree with my opinions so i came back to defend my self...there does that justify why i come back to this thread??????????? (not that i should have to)

    and sure you can ask me to stop posting but i think that your opinion that my posts are not helpful is not a general concensus.... and i dont have to listen to you....oh and by the way i never asked the OP to STOP posting all i asked was if this VERY HEATED TOPIC was going to be brought to everyones attention again THEN IMO SOME NEW INFO is needed....

    by the way the capital letters arnt me yelling, just wanted to make sure you get me this time
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    But Laura do you not understand that the reason the thread was brought back up by K9Force wasn't to reignite the argument but to defend himself against some allegations.

    The fact the discussion took off from there is not his fault.
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    how is pointing out the obvious "adding new information"?

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    I only got to page 4...
    It's interesting to see people tell a TRAINED PROFESSIONAL DOG TRAINER what is correct and humane and what isn't.

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    L: and k9, its just that this thread goes round and round in circles with you justifying it and others disagreeing and it seems to be reopened without anyone presenting new info or facts that can convince people to consider the collars... so what is the point??
    K9: The last post I made was to correct some information that was completely untrue, I can present new information if you like, I cant see that it will change a closed mind though...

    C: Surely it being illegal is saying something...
    K9: Yes it spells ignorance. It is true that prong collars are banned in Victoria, it is also true they are not banned anywhere else.

    One thing all states agree on, Euthanasia is legal everywhere, you can have your dog killed with no reason needed.

    F: Do you know what spurs can do to a horse? I've seen quite disgusting spur marks on horses. Maybe I'll be a bit off topic, but I don't like using any metal and/or devices on horses either.
    K9: I have never seen a horse injured by a spur, dont you think the user is the abuser, rather than the tool?

    L: any tool used incorrectly can do damage thats completley correct.

    thats why you cannot drive a car until you have a licence.
    operate other equipment without training.

    but think about it..how many slip chains and prong collars are being used by people who have recieved not one bit of advice??
    K9: Hey I 100% agree, we strongly encourage training with any tool. But this has nothing to do with which tool, just the user again...

    Finally Laura, if your dog was being constantly pinched, the tool is not being used properly.

    If you or anyone would like some more info, I can happily add it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by puggerup View Post
    I only got to page 4...
    It's interesting to see people tell a TRAINED PROFESSIONAL DOG TRAINER what is correct and humane and what isn't.
    Puggerup, there are LOTS and LOTS of TRAINED PROFESSIONAL DOG TRAINERS around that I wouldn't even bother to say hello to, let alone give them my dog to work with
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    Quote Originally Posted by k9force View Post
    K9: I have never seen a horse injured by a spur, dont you think the user is the abuser, rather than the tool?
    You obviously haven't had anything to do with Equestrian sport. To be off topic again, bits, spurs, saddles, shoes and all other fancy gadgets that people use for their own pleasure are quite damaging to a horse, and there are scientific studies about it to prove it. If you don't believe me, try putting a bit in your mouth and let someone manipulate your movements. Then tell me how you feel about it, ok?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fedra View Post
    Puggerup, there are LOTS and LOTS of TRAINED PROFESSIONAL DOG TRAINERS around that I wouldn't even bother to say hello to, let alone work with my dog
    K9: Its funny though, because if one of them wouldnt work with you, they would be the worst in the world...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fedra View Post
    You obviously haven't had anything to do with Equestrian sport.
    K9: I dont pretend to have had, but I am good friends with a number of well known horse trainers and rode horses myself when I was younger, I never caused nor seen an injury from a spur...
    To be off topic again, bits, spurs, saddles, shoes and all other fancy gadgets that people use for their own pleasure are quite damaging to a horse,
    K9: You know we must travel in different circles, I dont know anyone who uses aversive techniques or tools for their own pleasure. Perhaps anyone who does should be banned from using them or being around animals which they could influence...

    and there are scientific studies about it to prove it. If you don't believe me, try putting a bit in your mouth and let someone manipulate your movements. Then tell me how you feel about it, ok?
    K9: Science is a funny thing, few scientists ever prove anything they dont want to...
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    Where are these studies, Fedra? Do you have the documentation or the links? Im curious, is all, considering Ive never heard of injuries to a horse's back due to a person sitting there.

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