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Thread: Prong Collars, Why?

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    it's not the training tool you should judge but the tool using it!!
    Agree with this.

    To mess with a modern ecollar so it did damage - you'd have to pull it apart and rewire it. You could probably do the same thing to a flashlight or a cordless drill.

    I think they (the limited power ones) should be available under licence - same as cars and guns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mouseandchicken View Post
    At the NDTF course we put the remote collars on our hands and felt for ourselves the zap.

    One person could set the dial quite high before she felt much of anything.
    I rememeber that!!
    I couldnt do it though because I have a heart issue But yes, again it is a tool to be used as needed not willy nilly as some people seem to think it is :s And in the right hands they are very useful!!

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    Aussie Floyd: Yes i have seen the use of such collars being used & also seen a poor victim/ dog (whom's owner was informed by K9 force to use such a collar) waiting in a vets room bleeding like hell, badly injured by the use of such collars
    K9: And then next page:

    Call it what you will Cleasanta.. ... i call it freedom of speech to repeat what one may have seen or heard & that has been widely expressed here quite often by others......i am only saying what i was told by a dog owner.. whether the dogs owners words were fact or fiction i don't know..
    K9: So first post you seen it and second post someone told you this and you dont know if it is true or not?

    Hmmm, why dont you tell us the name of this person? I am calling your bluff here.

    Firstlly, the method in which I instruct people to use a prong collar is to minimize the correction process, no one is told to jerk on the leash or place their dog under high distraction in the learning process to see the dog lunge.

    If you bothered to research my training you would find that out very fast.

    Second, the collars I use are Herm Sprenger, I have copied your post and sent it to my HS Rep, they take these allegations very seriously as they have designed the collars not to pierce or cut the skin.

    Wish I had seen this post earlier....
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    AF: Occy that's what i felt like doing too..... showing pic's of dogs with wounds from prong collars.. but i thought whats the point!!!!!!!!..imo no one is interested in seeing the negative side of things & that's their choice, so i'll leave it at that.
    K9: It would be known as evidence wouldnt it? If it existed..

    I would lay odds that I have seen more dogs on prong collars than anyone here, both here and in many other countries in the world, never once have I seen an injury caused...

    To injure a dog it would have to be deliberate abuse or complete stupidity, if it is even possible...

    AF, no one is saying you need to use a prong collar, not that I can see, no one is forced to use one when they train with me either, but at least allow people to know they exist without slandering them and or me without any reason.

    You dont know me or how I train dogs, leave it at that without your added (false) commentary...
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    K9force do just come back everynow and then to reignite this argument..seriously drop it
    prong collars are barbaric and cruel
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    K9: There were things said about me and my training that are untrue, it is my right to defend myself. I havent mentioned prong collars or the pros or cons, simply addressed the slanderous untrue comments.

    I dont get emails from this forum to tell me when someones replies all the time and I was asked about this thread just recentlky so this is the first time I have seen what was written.

    Your welcome to your opinion as am I and everyone else here.

    I will drop it when I feel like it, not when you tell me too. It is quite easy not to read threads or block me as a user...
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    laura77

    Have you ever seen a standard prong collar being used with a dog handler trained specifically on how to get the best out of them.

    Even on a bad day they're much less barbaric and do less damage to a dog's neck than your average throat crushing slip chain choke collar.

    I've seen how good they can be. All the same, I wouldn't buy or use one unless I could have one on one supervised training - but that's more because they look scary.

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    no ive never seen one in use by a trainer because no trainer i go to would ever use one.

    and i dont use slip chains either i think they are both nasty.

    sure i guess if a trainer used it they would do less damage than a noob using it, but i think it still causes pain and discomfort for the dog. and you cant say it doesnt....the product discription states that it "pinches". whether used by a noob or a proffessional i still wouldnt like to be pinched around the neck thanks very much...

    and k9, its just that this thread goes round and round in circles with you justifying it and others disagreeing and it seems to be reopened without anyone presenting new info or facts that can convince people to consider the collars... so what is the point??

    both sides are fighting a losing battle and its quite boring....sure reopen it if youve got something new to tell us about the benefits of the collars ....
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    There are so many dogs locked away in back yards that if put on a pinch collar might be out walking. Walking is so hugely important to the health and well being of dogs.

    If it was a choice between not getting walked and a pinch collar I'd opt for the pinch collar.

    Dogs aren't like us they crave exercise

    No pull.....no pinch.

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    Yes in the hands of someone who knows how to use it, it is a very useful tool just like anything else. And like MAC said it is fa4r better than having a dog locked up all the time because it chokes itself every time it goes anywhere and the handler has no control.

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