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Thread: Prong Collars, Why?

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    The spikes are NOT sharpened unless some asswipe has come along and done it. I used them WITHOUT stoppers and they didn't not stab into the dog at all

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    As far as e collars - they are banned and should be. Only qualified people should be allowed to use them - ie you pay someone to help you train your dog - because you just know some moron is going to go and fiddle with the settings and hurt a dog.

    You want me to post some pics of dogs with e collar burns?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Occy View Post
    As far as e collars - they are banned and should be. Only qualified people should be allowed to use them - ie you pay someone to help you train your dog - because you just know some moron is going to go and fiddle with the settings and hurt a dog.

    You want me to post some pics of dogs with e collar burns?
    Occy that's what i felt like doing too..... showing pic's of dogs with wounds from prong collars.. but i thought whats the point!!!!!!!!..imo no one is interested in seeing the negative side of things & that's their choice, so i'll leave it at that.

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    Id be interested in seeing pics - I have never seen injuries from a prong - and that is with having a dog on it that was going off it's tits

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    Quote Originally Posted by Occy View Post
    You want me to post some pics of dogs with e collar burns?
    As far as I know that's propaganda created by the anti e-collar brigade. An accident such as that couldn't happen with normal use. So I've been told by numerous trainers anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeTheDeedNotTheBreed View Post
    Im sorry if I offended you it was an honest question. I actually seen it on a dog show; the owner put the collar on himself then refused to continue using it on his dogs because it hurt his neck. Personally I have never seen one other than pics or on the net

    Like I said, everyone for themselves. I wouldn't use one on Bailey however I don't need to because I had the opportunity to teach her from a very young age.

    Is your dog (the prong collar one) a rescue?
    No offence taken at all. I've never used a prong on any other dog, just my rescue boy.


    Quote Originally Posted by Aussie Floyd View Post
    WHY o WHY..

    has no one ever heard of love, gentleness, respect & kindness when training any dog.. you will be surprised just how love & gentleness etc goes a long way in training.. no wonder dogs don't respect some people & who can blame a dog for attacking its owners, handlers etc at times.....

    Show aggression, inflict pain etc & that is whats returned.. its called KARMA..
    My boy was given lots of love, attention, respect and kindness, but unfortunately that wasn't going to work in his case.

    You can't judge any training tool across the board. Different problems require different solutions. What works for one, may not work for another.

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    I don't think it would be possible for an ecollar to burn with an 8 second time out and low voltage/current limit too. It is possible to get damage from rubbing if the thing is left on for 24 hours a day and that specifically contravenes the instructions for modern ecollars. They're not meant to be on the dog 24 hours a day every day.

    Collars made recently (in the last 5 years) for "home" use are completely different to the older things that had no limits on time or voltage/current or damage by electrocution. There's a huge difference between the kind of zap you get when you accidentally earth yourself after scuffing around on carpet (static), and the kind of zap you'd get if you stuck a knife in an unprotected power point, and that is similar to the difference between modern e collars and old ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ruthless View Post
    As far as I know that's propaganda created by the anti e-collar brigade. An accident such as that couldn't happen with normal use. So I've been told by numerous trainers anyway.
    That's the point - people can too easily fiddle with them and use them to cause harm. You can't take the stupid out of people so it's best to lock away guns and e collars and other things that can do damage.

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    it's not the training tool you should judge but the tool using it!!

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    At the NDTF course we put the remote collars on our hands and felt for ourselves the zap.

    One person could set the dial quite high before she felt much of anything.

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