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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleasanta View Post
    was it used correctly?

    I think you are tip-toing being inflammatory toward a respected trainer AF...be careful


    Call it what you will Cleasanta.. ... i call it freedom of speech to repeat what one may have seen or heard & that has been widely expressed here quite often by others......i am only saying what i was told by a dog owner.. whether the dogs owners words were fact or fiction i don't know.. but it was enough to put me off from wanting to know anymore about such dog training business.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleasanta View Post
    I am interested...what would you do though.......if you had an aggressive dog whether it is dog or human aggression and you were told and shown the prong collar to work...would you consider it before pts???

    No i would never consider using any such collars for any reason... & i feel that my reasons are my reasons & not any one else's place to judge...

    My choice is my choice & i would hope that what ever decision i made was RESPECTED.. but that hardly seems to be case around this forum of late. It's either your RESPECTED & SUPPORTED ETC ETC if you get on the band wagon or your treated in a DISRESPECTABLE manner if you don't get on the band wagon..... IYKWIM...


    As far as i know there have been 2 members here who have made a heart wrenching choice of having their human aggressive dog PTS... i don't see anyone here disrespecting them for their choice. I just wish others would get the fook off my back & stop questioning my choices, my opinions etc...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleasanta View Post
    I am interested...what would you do though.......if you had an aggressive dog whether it is dog or human aggression and you were told and shown the prong collar to work...would you consider it before pts???
    This would only work if it was onlead aggression

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    I wasn't going to say anything in this thread because quite frankly there are those for and those against prong and check collars for various reasons and each to their own on this I say.

    But...I may use a prong collar on a dog that was pulling. So that I could have some control over it to teach it good walking manners. So in my mind this would be a large strong dog.

    I wouldn't put a prong collar on an aggressive dog and expect it to fix the aggression problem. In fact it wouldn't go on at all during training/proofing against dog to dog aggression.

    I might walk an aggressive dog on a prong collar so that I could have the necessary control to change direction and avoid another dog rather than being pulled towards it. So for the sake of getting the dog out exercising and stimulating it's brain I would use one.

    I was taught, that using aggressiveness whether using a leather collar or a prong collar is the wrong way to correct or improve or lessen aggressive behaviour.

    So for me a prong collar would be a walking tool for a strong dog until such stage as training has progressed to a stage where the dog has an understanding of social walking.

    I believe some professional trainers could successfully use the prong collar for just about anything including aggression, but for the rest of us I believe it's benefits would have to be limited to just getting the dog out and walking.

    Hope this ramble has made sense. And again I can fully understand why people are for and against it. These were just my thoughts on when I might use it. Not that I have.
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    AF, I made the comment that I did because your post came across as uneducated (like you had just seen the picture and formed such an opinion). The fact that you have an overall aggressive and forthright tone to your posts didn't help (but not that that's a problem, I actually enjoy reading your posts ).

    Perhaps you could just post your reasoning as well in your first post?

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    Damned if you do, damned if you dont.

    For the record I agree with Macs post and dont see the prong ( or power collar or whatever else it is known by-dont see how that one is an issue ) as a tool to correct 'behavioural' issues.
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    I just thought I would add my two cents worth...
    I completly aggree with K9, MAC, Chop and anyone else who has said it, when they say that the prong collar is just like any other training tool. If you know how to use it, and it is needed (I wouldnt use one on a toy like the anti collar people put on their banners) it is a great tool!
    You can do more damage with a flat collar and not using it properly, than you can when you use the prong collar! and most of the time it is only used for the first stages of training large, strong, dogs. Once they understand that they do not need to pull on the lead then it does not have to be used anymore. I can understand people not liking them, they do look a bit nasty, but I asure you they are not.

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    I think the prong collar is one of those things where people can just say "no, never gunna use it no matter what." They could be educated (for want of a better word) on it's use etc etc but it's just not something that "sits right" with them and probably never will. No amount of benefits will change their mind it will always be barbaric, horrible, unnecessary.

    Others can or have seen benefits from its use and are open to it.

    and others won't entirely dismiss it because you just never know when "that" dog might come along.

    Its a tool of dog training and the individuals choice whether they ever want to use it/like it/or not entirely dismiss it/or hate it regardless.

    It is a very controversial piece of equipment that will always be open for argument.
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    The prong is good for ppl with back problems and dogs with neck injuries. What does that say about the equipment?

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    There's prong collars with padded tips so they only pinch, maybe they should be called "pinch collars" and there are prong collars with sharpened spikes that make a dog bleed if they lunge against the spikes, which also pinch but pierce too. A spike collar perhaps.

    It's a similar deal with horse spurs. Some are just rounded nub things that are easier for a horse to feel than just a boot heel, and some are sharpened wheels like razors which cut straight through a horse's side and there's some inbetween.

    I think the tools that can cut and pierce an animals skin should not be used.

    I think the ones that just pinch a bit or re-inforce a signal without doing damage are ok.

    But it depends on the skill of the handler. I think slip/chain/choke collars, and pinch collars can both be misused by an unskilled or ignorant or abusive handler. And the other things would be almost impossible to use gently without years of training and practice - and how many critters get hurt mean time.

    I would dearly like to use a zap collar with remote for training my dog. I wouldn't have to take her to the vet every time she finds a glad wrap sandwich that shouldn't be left on the oval. The currently available collars have time outs, and limited zap capacity - which is quite unpleasant but tolerable to human and dog.

    But RSPCA has managed to get a number of these tools banned. I suppose it's possible to use a hammer to train a dog or use it to abuse a dog but hammers are not banned. It's not entirely logical to me. Some tools should be banned, but some should be ok with the right training.

    Just like cars - and getting a driving licence after passing a competency test (or three). They could do that with dog training tools. It would save a lot of dogs and owners a lot of grief.

    I saw a great dane - gorgeous dog in a prong/pinch collar - recently. It didn't seem the least bit bothered by the collar and it gave the owner control. I discussed the front attach harness with her, and she said they'd actually tried it but couldn't get it to fit properly (even with expert help) because of the shape of the great dane's chest.
    And you could see a nose band or a slip chain would not be any help either.

    I do find those collars scary to look at but I haven't seen anyone using one make their dog scream in pain.

    Poor great dane was all dog anxious after being attacked by a SWF! It did cope quite well with Frosty though. Frosty is such a groveller - I think even dogs laugh when she crawls up to them and then rolls over. The most non threatening friendly approach ever.

    I'm not surprised that the K9pro (ex K9Force) guys don't post much here when there is much passion and so little fact based reason with some posts.

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