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    WHY o WHY..

    has no one ever heard of love, gentleness, respect & kindness when training any dog.. you will be surprised just how love & gentleness etc goes a long way in training.. no wonder dogs don't respect some people & who can blame a dog for attacking its owners, handlers etc at times.....

    Show aggression, inflict pain etc & that is whats returned.. its called KARMA..

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    Again Aussie, you really think EVERY dog can be trained the same way? No, of course they can't. You've had great success with your training methods, and that's great!

    But, no one ever said that prong collars (and the rest) means that aggression is being shown or pain is inflicted, when used correctly. When used INCORRECTLY, then of course things can go wrong.

    I honestly don't know whether or not it's simply your forthright manner, or if you're actually very close-minded It's very sad when people do not realise that not every situation is the same as theirs.

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    it's my manner.,,but what has my manner got to do with it, this is who i am & how i express things.. we all have different ways of expressing things & we all have the god given birth right to freedom of speech & the right to express it etc etc
    Last edited by Aussie Floyd; 04-08-2010 at 06:35 AM.

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    Accusing others of cruelty is nasty. Fair enough you don't like prongs and you don't want to use them, no-one is forcing you to. Did you really expect to come in here and tell people who may use it that their dogs will attack them for it and not get a reaction? Isn't posting something just for a reaction something that a troll would do?

    I dread to think what would happen if you had a dog come to you that needed training using a prong. It's a training tool, nothing more. Like any other training tool, if you don't put the work in and learn to use it correctly things will go wrong, but if you do it properly then the results are phenomenal.

    The prong I put on my neck didn't hurt at all, and yes I pulled it tight. It looks like a nasty piece of equipment, but like a martingale it's restricted on how much it can tighten. I put a check chain on the right way and had to manually loosen it from my neck. I checked and it didn't release at all. Now I'm the first to admit that it does cause mild discomfort, but nothing even close to as bad as a check chain!

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    Aggression doesn't come into play - compulsion does. Do this or it hurts. Not the ideal way to train a dog but the only way some ppl know or can cope with. Some elements of compulsion are necessary in every day life (take me having to scruff the cat to get his nails done cause hates it for no good reason) but no one method is the be all and end all.

    AF is entitled to her opinion as is anyone else but don't crap on anything until you've seen it in action.

    Choker chains = bad from experience
    prong collars = immediate calming effect on aggro dog from experience
    using purely positive = ruining a dog from experience
    balanced approach with positive priority = best way to go from experience

    Just IMO

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela's Gone Batty View Post
    Accusing others of cruelty is nasty. Fair enough you don't like prongs and you don't want to use them, no-one is forcing you to. Did you really expect to come in here and tell people who may use it that their dogs will attack them for it and not get a reaction? Isn't posting something just for a reaction something that a troll would do?

    Where did i say that all/every dog will attack.. & where did i post just to get a reaction????.. I posted to express my personal thoughts & feelings on a subject.. in which we all have the right to do so.

    Are you accusing me of posting in a troll like manner or being a troll??? in which i am not a freaken troll at all... if you care to read back to when i 1st joined you will see that i have put a lot of effort & time in this forum, posting useful info etc.... trolls don't stick around for too long & they usually post crap & in a stupid like manner just to cause trouble etc & that is something i don't do full stop.

    But i'm thicked skinned & don't take to heart others opinions of me.. to me that's just what it is an "OPINION" that means jack sh!t in my books. I know who i truly am & no black white text is going to change that.

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    IMO Some parts of pp training actually uses a compulsion component. Ie: Dog doesn't come in when you call it, shut the door and walk away leaving the dog outside and isolated away from the family. Dog learns that it must come inside when called or he gets abandoned, therefore the dog feels compelled to do as he is asked (for a sufficiently social dog) and is more likely to do as asked the next time. I'm not sure if that came out how I was thinking it lol!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aussie Floyd View Post
    Show aggression, inflict pain etc & that is whats returned.. its called KARMA..
    Quote Originally Posted by Aussie Floyd View Post
    Where did i say that all/every dog will attack.. & where did i post just to get a reaction????.. I posted to express my personal thoughts & feelings on a subject.. in which we all have the right to do so.

    Are you accusing me of posting in a troll like manner or being a troll??? in which i am not a freaken troll at all... if you care to read back to when i 1st joined you will see that i have put a lot of effort & time in this forum, posting useful info etc.... trolls don't stick around for too long & they usually post crap & in a stupid like manner just to cause trouble etc & that is something i don't do full stop.

    But i'm thicked skinned & don't take to heart others opinions of me.. to me that's just what it is an "OPINION" that means jack sh!t in my books. I know who i truly am & no black white text is going to change that.
    Bully for you AF. I'm glad you know who you are and what you will do in every single situation. That is a marvellous achievement and one I hope to get to one day.

    I stated that the post was troll-like. Meaning posted in a troll like manner to get a reaction, nothing more. No hidden meanings or words between the lines. The way your post reads it sounds like every dog that a prong is used on will attack a person (or that's how it read to me).

    If I misunderstood then I apologise. The part that I believed to be for a reaction is the bolded part above.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleasanta View Post
    Deb...I can feel myself getting more and more cranky from your comments. Are you serious....Karma...you use a correction collar and the dog will attack you...KARMA?!? sheeesh

    Both you and I KNOW that love, affection and kindness will not protect you from dogs "snapping"!!!

    Cleasanta...

    Yes i stand by my choice / opinion..

    I am talking about deliberate abuse of dogs.. the use of barbaric pain inflicting collars on dogs.. how would you react if such an item was used on you personally.. would you not be aggressive & show anger towards those that physically or emotionally hurt you that is what i mean about some dogs being aggressive & attacking their owners or handlers etc etc.. that is what i mean about KARMA..



    I am not referring to dogs who may have been born "with something not quiet right mentally" or dog through no fault of their own comes from poor breeding stock / poor breeding practices etc. I understand why some "not so well in the head" dogs may attack or show aggression towards owners etc & i don't wish KARAMA on good responsible loving dog owners..

    I know personally know a certain dog (bil's amstaff ) that was put PTS at 2 yrs young because it attacked both Zep & my OH for no apparent reason.. the dog was a well loved non abused dog, but unfortunately she just snapped, i wasn't the only person who had no qualms about having a dog that attacks people PTS.... imo dogs that attack any human for no apparent reason is not acceptable & should not be tolerated.

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    Chill pill, anyone?

    I have personally never used a prong collar. So what, doesn't mean they're not good in the right scenario; doesn't mean the day won't come where I do choose to use one - who knows.

    I use check chains. Never seen one used correctly that didn't release immediately and didn't work brilliantly, but obviously others have had different experiences.
    Maybe I should go off on a rampage? Start crapping off at Occy because she doesn't like them from experience? Maybe start crapping off at Ange because she tried one on herself and was horrified?

    Honestly, let's please keep it calm or none of us will ever learn anything from each other.
    Last edited by Devil's Advocate; 04-08-2010 at 09:09 AM.

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