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    Default Need Training Advise Pls - on the Verge of Breakdown!

    Hi

    I picked up my puppy 2 days ago and its been really stressful time for us and the dog.

    Based on the advise we were given, we were told to keep him in the bathroom until he is toilet trained. We used one of those scented pads which the dog used properly for the first day and a half.

    We would praise him everytime he used it. Now however he seems to not use it, but use any space in the bathroom except the pad. I've gone into the bathroom to catch him just sitting there on the pad. So for some reason he thinks that its his place to sit now.

    Also the dog seems to be okay at night, I try to wear him out so that he sleeps through, but wakes up crying around 6:00am.

    He is suffering a fair amount of seperation anxiety (to the point where I cant even lock him in the bathroom) - he is now just running out the second I try to close the door. Which is sad because thats where his bed is (for now).

    Anyway advise will be greatly appreciated.

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    sheesh dude - it's a puppy - you just took it from it's litter and you're locking it up all alone? WOW.

    Get yourself a crate or a pen that you can move around - pup needs to bond with you

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    Quote Originally Posted by Occy View Post
    sheesh dude - it's a puppy - you just took it from it's litter and you're locking it up all alone? WOW.

    Get yourself a crate or a pen that you can move around - pup needs to bond with you

    The advice I was given was that I should confine it to a small space until it is toilet trained. Otherwise it will destory our house? Is this bad advice?

    The advice is also given at:
    http://www.barkbusters.com.au/puppies.htm#toilet
    It is advisable to contain a pup to a certain section of the house, such as the bathroom, laundry or garage, or to partition off a section of the house. This will help protect such things as carpets, drapes and furniture. Also provide some toys, food, water, for the pup to chew on.

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    I'm sorry I cant help much, I can only go by my experience.

    Your pup will be feeling very alone and confused locked in the one place.

    For toilet training about 20 min after eating I would take my pup outside and wait untill he went, then give him lots of praise and attention.
    If he was inside and started sniffing the floor, straight outside because there was a good chance he would need to go.
    It took about a week for Griffy to get the idea and go to the door when he needed the toilet. (madeline took alot longer, every dogs different)

    He does need lots of toys to chew and play but so long as he's supervised he wont destroy anything.

    I haven't crate trained my dogs but I've heard really good things about it, maybe look into that.

    Forgot to add, my pups were only aloud in two rooms in the house but they were the lounge and the kitchen so they could be with me and I could watch them.
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    Well a crate is a 'small place' simonj!!!!

    How would you like to have been locked away in a room from the family when you were a baby?

    The worst thing you could do is isolate this puppy. It has just lost its family and familiar smells and what for? To end up frightened and locked away from you, its new family.
    Like Occy said, get a crate or puppy pen so you can have the crate or pen in the room with you at night. You need to get him into a routine. Take the pup out for toileting before you go to bed and when he has emptied out, take him and put him on his bed in his crate or pen. Maybe give him a raw bone or something to chew on to keep him amused until he settles down to sleep. If he whinges as soon as the light is out, ignore him. A few nights of this routine and he will settle as soon as you put him to bed ,as long as you have taken him out to empty out prior to going to bed. If he sleeps a few hours and then stirs , GET UP and take him out for a wee ! As soon as he has weed and or pooed , take him back to his pen, turn the light out and ignore whinging. It should take only a matter of a few days to a week for him to settle the entire night. You have to understand his little bladder can't hold on too long when he is only a baby, but as he gets older (weeks) his bladder can go longer between wees etc. So BE FAIR and take him out in the middle of the night if he wakes and starts whinging and hopefully after a few months you might be able to take the crate away and just have his bed next to yours .

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    I have read alot of articles saying not to have the dog sleep in the same room as you. I find it bemusing that noone imparts all this advice when I tell them upfront my intentions before I buy the dog, but the second I get the dog, everyone plays the cruelty card and that I should be with the dog every second of the day.

    What you have to realise is that I am only doing what I have been advised. I'm not purposely trying to make it unhappy. If the recommendation is to not keep it in a confined space until toilet trained and to let it sleep in my bedroom then I have been misinformed by many people and websites.

    I was originally going to purchase the dog in the xmas holidays but two different pet stores warned me specifically to not take time off work as it would cause the dog angst when I go back to work.

    As it stands I am probably spending around 6-7 hours per day playing with/training the pup.


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    Well a crate is a 'small place' simonj!!!!

    How would you like to have been locked away in a room from the family when you were a baby?

    The worst thing you could do is isolate this puppy. It has just lost its family and familiar smells and what for? To end up frightened and locked away from you, its new family.
    Like Occy said, get a crate or puppy pen so you can have the crate or pen in the room with you at night. You need to get him into a routine. Take the pup out for toileting before you go to bed and when he has emptied out, take him and put him on his bed in his crate or pen. Maybe give him a raw bone or something to chew on to keep him amused until he settles down to sleep. If he whinges as soon as the light is out, ignore him. A few nights of this routine and he will settle as soon as you put him to bed ,as long as you have taken him out to empty out prior to going to bed. If he sleeps a few hours and then stirs , GET UP and take him out for a wee ! As soon as he has weed and or pooed , take him back to his pen, turn the light out and ignore whinging. It should take only a matter of a few days to a week for him to settle the entire night. You have to understand his little bladder can't hold on too long when he is only a baby, but as he gets older (weeks) his bladder can go longer between wees etc. So BE FAIR and take him out in the middle of the night if he wakes and starts whinging and hopefully after a few months you might be able to take the crate away and just have his bed next to yours .

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    My advice, buy some baby gates or find other temporary measures where you can keep the puppy in a room with you or close to you. A room that has easily cleaned floors.

    Throw the puppy pads away. All you are doing is training your puppy to toilet on things on the floor.... think of the future when puppy sees a mat, or a towel or that lovely new shirt you just purchased and threw on the floor when you took it off.......


    Take your puppy outside every hour to toilet. Take him every time he wakes up from a nap. Take him every time he finishes playing and take him everytimehe eats. As painful as it is, if you set him up the right way with training you'll have a dog that will grow into an adult and who aill always be clean inside.

    Crates are great for training little fellas. When he has played, and played some more and you have taken him outside several times (and he has weed insinde a few times as well...) he will be ready for a nap. Put him in his crate for his nap with a lovely snuggly warm bed. Put him in with his dinner or a treat (he should ideally still be getting 3 - 4 meals a day if he is baby) let him eat and ensure he is in a quiet area. He will nod off to sleep.

    When he wakes up, take him outside to go to the toilet and start the routine all over again. Ensure he can access otudoors so that he can start racing out himslef when he needs to go. Puppies learn much faster if there is easy access to outside, such as an open door for him.
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    And this is why you do not take the advice from someone who works in a pet store. If you are working, does this mean that you are going to leave the puppy alone for hours on end before it has at least been toilet trained and bonded to you?

    I have heard that Barkbusters use fairly outdated methods. Dogs are pack animals, meaning they want a family to be around. Isolating it (even from following advice) is not doing it any good. Get a crate, or even a bed (as we did) and put it in your room so that it can be with you and bond with you. If it does have accidents (and it will), don't worry about it. Getting a dog means you will probably get some stains every now and again while your puppy settles and learns the rules.

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    I agree with Anne I would get rid of the puppy pads, once he is trained to go on those you will only have to re-train him to go outside anyway. Much quicker just to go straight to outside toileting. Yes there will be accidents but most dogs get the idea pretty quickly. Be consistent, take pup out regularly, use a key word/phrase (we use "go toilet") wait till he manages to go and prasie and give a small treat straight away.
    I also did leave the one fly screen slightly open so Jenna could go out herself when she needed to. She very soon got the idea and any accidents were really my fault for not being on the ball about taking her out.

    With regard to being confined. I think if you want to put him in the bathroom at night that is up to you. Jenna has been put in crate in the laundry at night since we got her. Some people are happy having their dogs on the bedroom with them but I would prefer not to. I am a very light sleeper and I think I would be listening for her too much. Especially when she was a tiny puppy. I wouldn't, however, be putting him in there during the day, unless you have to go out. If you are in the house I would have the pup with you. They are very social and you are now his pack, he will want to follow you round and get to know you. If your pup is sleeping til 6am then that's pretty good for a little one. Jenna just about manages to go til 7am now but when we first got her it was about 5ish (Yawn).

    Good luck
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    simonj, no one is 'having a go' at you, we are all for the pup so want to help you, but one thing i must mention, you lost me at "it". Sorry but I get annoyed at people who think of their dog as an 'it' instead of 'my puppy' , she, he, her, him.

    Anyway, back to topic. I received the following from a friend who picked up her new pup yesterday. It will give you an idea of what to do at night while house training.

    "Oh he is so gorgeous and such confidence, its really great. Its like he has always lived here already.
    We settled him down in the crate for the night, he whimpered for about 2/3 min and then slept till 2.00pm.. out in the rain for toilet, and then I allowed a 1/2 hour play before settling him back down in the crate again which took only a couple of minutes again... slept till 5pm... toilet in rain again, play 10min ... fell asleep on my bed, after 10min popped him back in the crate again... slept till 6.30.. out
    again and play...We had a very successful 1st night."

    So simonj, that's what you have to do to get the pup into a routine as well as house train

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