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    This may be a slightly daft question, but how do you know when you are pack leader? I've read all the info and advise on becoming pack leader, but don't know how to be sure that I am at that status?

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    If you are pack leader, your dog will respect you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CrashCourse View Post
    This may be a slightly daft question, but how do you know when you are pack leader? I've read all the info and advise on becoming pack leader, but don't know how to be sure that I am at that status?
    It is not as simple as sayin - I AM LEADER HEAR ME ROAR. You are pack leader when things in your house run smoothly. ATM over my laptop, I am watching Rufus stalking the cat. I know if I call him off - he will come - just did and he did!! Cat on the other hand is completely ignoring me lol.

    It is about how you carry yourself and what you find acceptable in your house. For example - my animals are allowed on furniture but when I tell them to get off I expect it to happen - there are also rooms they aren't allowed in - and it works.

    Pack leadership in the human dog dynamic is tenuous at best. When I had three dogs I let them work it out amongst themselves but my word was ultimately law - I had 3 big dogs and only the ocassional scuffle over food if I was out of the room for some reason.

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    It's almost easier to write how you know you're not the pack leader...

    Do you get to sleep in your own bed with plenty of room for you? Do you get to eat dinner without anybody (any dog) trying to steal it from you? Do you get to feed your dog(s) without having your hand bitten off - ie do they sit and wait for you to put the food down and only start eating when you give them permission? Does your dog check to see where you are when you are out walking (off lead) or in the back yard or around the house? Does your dog jump on you uninvited?

    Things I'm still arguing with my puppy dog about include -
    does your dog come when it is called - no matter what?
    does your dog stop doing what it's doing when you tell it to (ie "No" when eating fertilizer or possum poo), does your dog jump on other people uninvited?

    So I guess I'm mostly pack leader but not always. But I did choose a breed known for their independent thinking (and terrier owners will also relate). I prefer that to a dog that is always looking for you to give it the next command and can't cope without you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyacinth View Post
    Crashcourse

    It's almost easier to write how you know you're not the pack leader...

    Do you get to sleep in your own bed with plenty of room for you? Do you get to eat dinner without anybody (any dog) trying to steal it from you? Do you get to feed your dog(s) without having your hand bitten off - ie do they sit and wait for you to put the food down and only start eating when you give them permission? Does your dog check to see where you are when you are out walking (off lead) or in the back yard or around the house? Does your dog jump on you uninvited?

    Things I'm still arguing with my puppy dog about include -
    does your dog come when it is called - no matter what?
    does your dog stop doing what it's doing when you tell it to (ie "No" when eating fertilizer or possum poo), does your dog jump on other people uninvited?

    So I guess I'm mostly pack leader but not always. But I did choose a breed known for their independent thinking (and terrier owners will also relate). I prefer that to a dog that is always looking for you to give it the next command and can't cope without you.
    Sorry - BS!!


    Do you get to sleep in your own bed with plenty of room for you?

    Billie used to sleep on the pillow with her butt in my face - Cappy used to sleep ON me if he could - Rufus is the same - still pack leader!!

    Do you get to eat dinner without anybody (any dog) trying to steal it from you?

    All my dogs have been beggers aside from Sandy who was taught to turn her back when there was food - that way she got a treat - again - still pack leader

    Do you get to feed your dog(s) without having your hand bitten off - ie do they sit and wait for you to put the food down and only start eating when you give them permission?

    Hell no - I find teaching my dog to sit for their dinner assinane - Billie would dance for her dinner - Flash would wait for it to be served in bed - Cappy would have to be coaxed to eat at all - and Rufus is the oddest one - he takes food out of his bowl, walks away with it, drops it, and then picks it up to eat it. All of them WOULD sit for their dinners - but none of them were asked to.

    Does your dog check to see where you are when you are out walking (off lead) or in the back yard or around the house?

    Um - wha? Rufus checks in but isn't yet off lead trained so would bolt if given the chance. Flash was a bolter. Billie always stayed near, as did Cappy and Sandy would do her own thing but always recalled perfectly. Dogs checking in is great for obedience and for off lead at the park - but it's a pain when you're simply trying to go for a walk.

    Does your dog jump on you uninvited?

    Rufus does this thing when he is really excited during a recall and dives at me with his front paws - I think it's adorable frankly and I don't discourage it. I did with Cappy and I always regretted it.

    None of those things do or don't make me a pack leader - they simply reflect the choices I make with my dogs.

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    I have to very much agree with that post of Occy's .

    I too have done all of 'what not to do' but have still remained pack leader.

    You can call me a serial offender of dogs lounging all over you demanding your attention.....happens all the time on the couch trying to watch TV.
    But they stop and will lay down contentedly beside me as soon as I say enough.
    Over and over this is becoming the 'new' reason for dominant behaviour and truley its rubbish.

    So as Occy said, does your house/pack run smoothly?( we can all epect and accept hiccups-none of us are perfect)

    Does your dog make the rules or do you?
    ie; Dog says ( pleads,whines,pesters,whatever etc) feed me.Now. And you do .
    That is the dogs rule,not yours.

    Something I think that is important to remember that no one individual dog/owner relationship is going to be exactly the same .
    There will be tweaks and adjustments as you go along made to suit you and what you will and will not tolerate .
    And if your dog is doing what you will tolerate and not doing what you wont,or can be called off any unwanted behaviour , then you are alpha.
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