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    Hi Guys,

    This is probably a question seen a hundred times before. I've had a read of the forums- but I'm already doing most of the given solutions. So I figure I'd explain my case and beg for feedback.

    So I just moved house a month ago today.(From a very quiet neighbourhood to the heart of stkilda in Melbourne, which is VERY loud).
    I have two Miniature Pinchers. One is 3 (Male) and the other is 9 months (female).

    My female is very quiet.
    My male is not.

    I recieved a second letter in my mail box last night explaining that my dog has been barking all day again.

    Currently, I get up 30 mins earlier every morning to take him for a big run. He gets a bone most days (or raw hide) to chew on while I'm at work. He has toys, another dog for company and is very excersised. When my partner gets home from work, he walks him again (with the puppy).

    He's got plenty of fresh water,(and is fed two small meals a day, so he is not hungry).

    I've been aprehensive to resort of a citronella collar- as I wanted to find the problem and solve that before I tried masking it with a collar.

    He's ALWAYS itching to go out the back when I am home. He jumps at the door and cries to go out. I let him out (incase he needs the toilet) and he runs straight out, barking, spins in a circle and runs around the back yard barking. I try and tell him off by saying "NO!" at him, but half the time he ignores me. (I clearly need to establish myself as pack leader). My BF has suggested I smack him with rolled up newspaper- as it makes a loud noise but doesn't hurt. So I'm trying to catch him barking and smack him with the news paper.

    What else can I be doing? They are locked inside at night time so it's not a problem until 8:30 in the mornign when my partner puts him out the back, until five or so in the afternoon when he comes home and lets them back in.

    My housemate tells me the running him tired in the morning has made a massive difference (she works from home most days)- but this neighbour obviously thinks otherwise.

    I'm not really sure what to do.

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    Smacking him with the newspaper won't achieve much at all simply because you are not there all day to do this. He will still bark when you are not there.

    We use a water spray but our dogs are not 'problem' barkers. Water sprays are btter than newspaper as you can spray the dog from a distance and they do not harm them in any way. They don't become hand shy with you either.

    Some dogs are more prone to barking than others (as you have discovered with your two). Dogs bark for a variety of reasons such as boredom, excitement, guarding and some bark simply due to sheer enjoyment or habit.

    I am guessing that there was a reason that your dog initially started to bark and now it is habit and very ingrained possibly too. The initial reason may or may not exist still.

    Citronella collars work on some dogs but very few to my knowledge. There are the electric zap collars but I believe they are not legal?? I have heard that these work more effeciently though.

    Sorry I can not help with any real solid advice. Barking when you are not there is a difficult one. Hopefully someone else will help with more advice.
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    I think my council defines excessive barking as more than 6 continuous minutes in any given hour. So a neighbour would have to keep a record... I'd be more worried about the ratsack over the fence that some dog haters resort to.

    I took my dog around to all the neighbours. One doesn't like barking dogs much but he seems to like my dog. Apparently she doesn't bark much if at all when I'm out but does bark a fair bit when I'm home - it's her way of getting attention and initiating play and maybe I should do more to discourage it - but it's nowhere near 6 solid minutes. Then again sometimes she barks because there are people where they shouldn't be (according to her).

    I prefer to leave her inside when I'm out. When she was little - she used to be inside the house, inside a crate. But I trust her with the furniture now.

    The electric bark activated collars are legal in Queensland and not in SA. Not sure about other states. You can also get bark activated "sonic guns" which make a high pitched noise (humans can't hear) that distracts or irritates the dog when it barks. No idea if they are legal or not. I've heard of a desparate neighbour who mounted one on his shed and pointed it at the noisy dog next door and it worked for him - but I don't know how well they work overall.

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    Hi Guys

    Thank you all so much for your advise.

    Southern Harmony your advise sounds amazing! You're probably right regarding my neighbour having a lower tollerance to my dogs barking. After all, not a single other person has even mentioned it. It seems to be this one guy. Honestly, I somewhat have the attitude, that if he wanted to live somewhere quiet, stkilda probably wasn't the best choice. My neighbour on the left of me, plugs his guitar in early in the morning and jams sometimes up until almost midnight a number of nights a week. He's not affraid of the volume knob on his amp either (this doesnt bother me though- im a muso too).

    However. Maybe everyone else is thinking "omg! this dog is a nightmare!!" So I think I might do a walk around and have a chat to a few of my other neighbours. Everyone seems really nice and lets face it. If there is a problem, trying to talk to people about it is a really positive thing- and surely they will appreciate it.

    I'm thinking it's a number of things that is causing him to bark. (As I've been working to rule things out).
    It's not lack of exercise.
    It's not because he's hungry or thirsty.
    I've just ordered a new dog house today, so hopefully giveing him somewhere to go and sleep during the day will help.
    He's either barking because of the enviroment he's now in (Loud!! lots of people walking passed all the time throughout the day- I do think this might be a part of it, as he will offen bark in the house if we can hear something going on outside.) So I hope walking him offen will get him used to all the new noises.
    OR he's bored. I'm going to buy a Kong. I've been told you can fill them with chicken stock and freeze them to entertain them for hours. His toys are pretty boring.he's chewed the squeeker out of most of them (except 1).
    So I'd love some suggestions for some fun toys. Maybe a half shell for him to play and dig in might be fun? Anything else?

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    Quote Originally Posted by carpe_nox View Post
    Hi Guys,

    This is probably a question seen a hundred times before. I've had a read of the forums- but I'm already doing most of the given solutions. So I figure I'd explain my case and beg for feedback.

    So I just moved house a month ago today.(From a very quiet neighbourhood to the heart of stkilda in Melbourne, which is VERY loud).
    I have two Miniature Pinchers. One is 3 (Male) and the other is 9 months (female).

    My female is very quiet.
    My male is not.

    I recieved a second letter in my mail box last night explaining that my dog has been barking all day again.

    Currently, I get up 30 mins earlier every morning to take him for a big run. He gets a bone most days (or raw hide) to chew on while I'm at work. He has toys, another dog for company and is very excersised. When my partner gets home from work, he walks him again (with the puppy).

    He's got plenty of fresh water,(and is fed two small meals a day, so he is not hungry).

    I've been aprehensive to resort of a citronella collar- as I wanted to find the problem and solve that before I tried masking it with a collar.

    He's ALWAYS itching to go out the back when I am home. He jumps at the door and cries to go out. I let him out (incase he needs the toilet) and he runs straight out, barking, spins in a circle and runs around the back yard barking. I try and tell him off by saying "NO!" at him, but half the time he ignores me. (I clearly need to establish myself as pack leader). My BF has suggested I smack him with rolled up newspaper- as it makes a loud noise but doesn't hurt. So I'm trying to catch him barking and smack him with the news paper.

    What else can I be doing? They are locked inside at night time so it's not a problem until 8:30 in the mornign when my partner puts him out the back, until five or so in the afternoon when he comes home and lets them back in.

    My housemate tells me the running him tired in the morning has made a massive difference (she works from home most days)- but this neighbour obviously thinks otherwise.

    I'm not really sure what to do.
    My sister bought me collars off ebay that take a watch battery and when the dog barks a sonic/audible beep occurs. It is distracting and they associate it with their barking.

    I clap my hands twice~ loudly! or walk heavily on my wooden floors. Or I bang something loudly. They now come running to me.

    I have also used stones in a soft drink can, tape over the opening, and I drop these from the top window of my QLDr, again as a distraction (one does not peg the can at the dog :-)

    Eventually they internalise the associations.

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    I am not an expert, however I can offer some suggestion as to why they are barking. Sometimes it is seperation anxitey. (simply barking to say "come back MUM/DAD").
    When a dog is known to be an excesive barker, it is best not to say goodbye at all or give them BIG pats, I know it is increadably hard NOT to....their big smiling faces and thier bums wagging for attention, however sometimes ignoring them compleatly when it is time to head off to work can benefit in the long term. This applies on your return also, Don't open the door and straight away give them big hugs and kisses. Open the door and ignor them till they settle down. As soon as they have settled down then give them big patts and kisses. This will probably take a few days-a few weeks to learn but they will get it in the end that the only time they are reward is for GOOD behaviour.
    I have a bundgy rope with tasstles hanging off the rope. I have tied it to a tree in the back yard and it keeps Paw-Sha entertained for hours by herself.....I also have Kongs...different shapes and sizes I will introduce to her....(not at the same time of course) with different treats inside....I also have a ummm ball thing...that you put treats in and Paw-Sha has to push it around a certain way to retrieve the treats. Bones are good as well. I would not give them all the toys at once though....one or two toys that are routated every week is great. This will keep your dogs interested and excited to see an old toy they have not played with for a while. If you leave all the toys lying around for them, they often get bored and don't play with any of them! Stimulate there minds and sences. If giving treats though factor that into there diet and monitor how much "treats" they are having, as this may effect they appitites.
    I could literally go on for an hour about the different thing you could use to entertain your dog when you are not at home.
    Quick question.....can your dog see the front....passings by, people walking past your house.....cars going by ect? If so I suggest blocking the view so your dog can not be so teritorial and bark at passers by. All it takes is for one person to walk past your house and that could set your dog off barking for ten or more minutes. Then it happens again....another ten minutes. Blocking off the view will minimise distraction and hopefully give your dog something else to think about! Hope this helps
    Last edited by Paw-Sha; 10-01-2009 at 01:10 PM.

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    I think you are on the right track with your comment " So I think I might do a walk around and have a chat to a few of my other neighbours. Everyone seems really nice and lets face it. If there is a problem, trying to talk to people about it is a really positive thing- and surely they will appreciate it. "

    I was walking my dog a few weeks back and ran into a couple who live three doors down. They made the comment that they know when I go out because my dog cries and barks.

    So I questioned my 2 nearest neighbours, who are both retired and home most of the day.

    They both said that he cried when I first got him (That was a year ago!!) but now-days they wouldn't know he lived there, he was so quiet.

    Maybe you'll find out you don't have a problem.

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    I'm sure it helps to talk to neighbours - then they know you will listen and not fob them off if they have a problem with your dogs.

    Personally, I'm wondering what to do about a cat that lives down the other end of the street but visits my end to persecute my neighbours' cats (noisy) and crap in my back yard - which my puppy digs up and eats and gets the runs - sigh. The bad cat house has a sign that lives permanently on the front door asking people not to knock because it will wake the baby. Sigh - not very approachable.

    If I catch the cat, I know a vet that will put it down - just for being in my back yard instead of its own. But it would be nicer to try to get the owners to do something about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyacinth View Post
    I'm sure it helps to talk to neighbours - then they know you will listen and not fob them off if they have a problem with your dogs.

    Personally, I'm wondering what to do about a cat that lives down the other end of the street but visits my end to persecute my neighbours' cats (noisy) and crap in my back yard - which my puppy digs up and eats and gets the runs - sigh. The bad cat house has a sign that lives permanently on the front door asking people not to knock because it will wake the baby. Sigh - not very approachable.

    If I catch the cat, I know a vet that will put it down - just for being in my back yard instead of its own. But it would be nicer to try to get the owners to do something about it.

    I've had a vet offer to do that for me too! Regarding the roaming cat. I don't know who's cat it is- and I don't think I could do it anyways. If I was in your position, I'd drop a note in their letter box.

    You've got some awesome idea's for interactive toys. I'm getting some kongs for my guys. And I had heard about rotating their toys. It's a great idea. I'll start doing that.

    I haven't caught any of my neighbours yet. but I just bought him a new dog house and my house mate tells me that he's quiet as a mouse, unless someone comes home (he barks until he recognises them- can't argue with that!)

    As far as seeing the road- he cant.

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    This has been an interesting thread to read. I came home last night around 11.30 after having been to the movies with a friend. I then get a knock at the door at 11.30 at night. Its the lady who lives in the unit next door. She tells me that Penny and Ollie have been barking non stop for two hours and that they have done it for the past few nights right up till about 11.00pm. I tried to explain that this was impossible, particularly given i was home the night before and the previous nights when I was out was well home before then. I was also curious as to why she had not mentioned it before

    I was really upset to think my puppies were upsetting the neighbours. I asked one lady on the other side and she says other than the occasionally bark she hears nothing. I wonder if my complaining neighbour has a low tolerence level. Will definately ask another neighbour and see what she thinks. The complainer even bought around a recording on her mobile phone - didnt sound too bad to me.

    My guys bark when they hear a possum or person in the area of the house - naturally...when I hear them they only do it for a minute or so and then stop....how far should I go to try and keep the complaining neighbour happy? I don't want to get in trouble with the council
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