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    Default Questions i have about aggression myths. Excuse ignorance, but im here to fix that

    From reading another thread, i realized that some dog prejudice is around, that im aware of. For instance, "I've heard, that staffies, 'lock jaw' during an attack < 1st myth, and that it will not release the victim < 2nd myth. is this real. Is this what this breed does?
    Bull Terrier, so surely its supposed to do this? So this could be true? Does anyone know the answers?

    the lock jaw cant work from a skeletal point of view. There simply is not dislocation action you see in snakes in dogs. Surely this is not true?
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    I would doubt they lock their jaws. My cattle dogs had pit bull friend that I used to dog sit. This dog was a lovely natured dog but even compared to my cattle dogs this pittie had a big wide mouth and jaw and her neck and facial muscles were extremely powerful along with the rest of her body. They are a breed bred to fight other dogs so I imagine they would have pretty powerful grip of they chose. Staffies have that same wide powerful head, neck and jaw. I remember witnessing a rottie grab a toy poodle and that powerful head and jaw easily crushed and killed the little dog and no one could get the poodle out of the jaw until it was too late.

    I have 2 evenly matched male working dogs, the only difference is that one has a more powerful head and jaw. Guess who comes out winning on the rare occasion they have had a scrap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bernie View Post
    From reading another thread, i realized that some dog prejudice is around, that im aware of. For instance, "I've heard, that staffies, 'lock jaw' during an attack < 1st myth, and that it will not release the victim < 2nd myth. is this real. Is this what this breed does?
    Bull Terrier, so surely its supposed to do this? So this could be true? Does anyone know the answers?

    the lock jaw cant work from a skeletal point of view. There simply is not dislocation action you see in snakes in dogs. Surely this is not true?
    You trying to drag me out of hibernation bernie? lol.

    I won't bother with the lock jaw thingy, cause we all know that's crap. Do staffies have a very strong jaw, yep, but is it really as strong as a rottie for example? I have my doubts. It's certainly true that when a Stafford gets a hold of something they have the determination to keep holding that other dog breeds might not? I believe that's where the "lock jaw" myth comes from, the absolute determination of a Stafford to hang on no matter what. This clip is actually of a bull terrier from what I can gather, but it just shows the absolute determination of the bully breed to hang on no matter what

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoDnrPH5XXI

    If I had to choose between being attacked by a Stafford or a Rottie, i'd go the Stafford every day of the week. But in reality any well bred Stafford ain't going to attack a human as it goes against everything that's been bred into them over a few hundred years. And that's not saying I don't like Rotties, I reckon they're great dogs, but they do have that guard/protection instinct and they're BIG dogs that would be hard for any fully grown adult human to defend against.

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    cool. Lock jaw is a myth. It is more determination. And MMJ comes out of hiding, for a SBT myth buster sesh! lol

    I am aware of those stupid bite p.s.i. stats. Have never understood the make up of a person's psyche that creates interest in such useless knowledge. A great bite, can be found in a JRT, but they might struggle with dragging an opponent to the ground in protection work dogs. (i am talking professional trained K9 Steve type of protection, not thugs with a untrained aggressor on a taught leash 'protection' dog).

    Glad about this though. As i now realise.... SBT comes in AMERICAN - large size! And in pretty colours too. Not too much bending, which is what puts me off the aussie and especially the english teeny ones.

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    English BUlldog.jpgI watched with awe as the English Bulldog down the road hung off a rope for some time, fierce determination. He wouldn't hurt a fly but wow, the strength of those jaws. Not locked though, but not much difference from a look. This picture is a google image but very like the one I see every day. Maggie has known him since she was a pup and contrary to her usual stuck up tribal snobbishness ADORES him (he ignores her). Its funny to watch as she cavorts trying and failing to get his attention.
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    Yeah some dogs are just really strong in the jaw and not inclined to let go without a really good incentive.

    I've got a friend with a bull terrier - who loves tug toys and socks and her owner can get her to give these things up but nobody else can. Unless they've got some yummy food... and then - dog training is in progress but it's not the dog being trained...

    I think the biggest myth about dog aggression is "They can attack for no reason out of the blue"

    All that means to me is the owner is completely uneducated when it comes to dog signals of discomfort or warning signals they give before they attack. The one that really gets me is the people taking videos of their child hugging a dog that is displaying multiple signs of "please leave me alone" and then they say - the dog attacked for no reason out of the blue. Grr.
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    Of cause lock jaw is a myth...just like the many myths about Rotties...GSDs and Dobermanns.

    Rotties...

    Have something wrong with their brain and can suddenly snap and attack you. Are a dangerous breed and can't be trusted with kids. Are vicious guard dogs...hard to handle and train...you can never trust them. And the truth...
    Myths and Misconceptions About Rottweilers | Rottweiler Pictures, Information & Forum

    GSDs...

    Easy to train...turn on you...bred to be guard dogs and you can't trust them...and many more.
    Four myths about the GSD breed - Akron German Shepherd | Examiner.com

    Dobermanns...

    Vicious guard dogs...the older they get the more vicious the get...they turn on you and of cause you can't trust them.
    The Doberman Myth
    The Doberman - Dispelling myths of the doberman

    Since I've owned all three breeds...I have found them to be great family pets and anyone who says otherwise has never owned them but of cause they are not for everyone either.
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    A big strong dog is just more capable of major damage and if poorly bred and trained is more dangerous than a small dog poorly bred and trained. My dog and I have been attacked by an aggressive little JRT and it was annoying. I have also faced an aggressive rottie that escaped its lead and it was truly terrifying, I thought my dog was going to be killed. As a kid walking to school me and my friend were attacked by a Doberman and my friend ended up in hospital with serious bites. I have known some wonderful dobes and rotties but the ones I don't know still scare me a little until I get to know them. So it is not surprising how these various myths come to be especially given how many dog owners have no idea.

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    hey dogman, nice links.
    and owning both the first two breeds repeatedly. I am very much in agreement with you.
    But keep it quiet eh? so i can get my next "rehome @ 9 months" due to being too much of a challenge for a couch potatoe owner

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    Quote Originally Posted by bernie View Post
    hey dogman, nice links.
    and owning both the first two breeds repeatedly. I am very much in agreement with you.
    But keep it quiet eh? so i can get my next "rehome @ 9 months" due to being too much of a challenge for a couch potatoe owner
    I posted the links for people who still think these breeds are dangerous...but we know better.

    If someone has a bad experience with one of these breeds they blame the breed which is wrong that's how BSL started...some people can't tell the difference between a Dobe and a Rottie especially the bloody Media and there will always be people who buy them for all the wrong reasons.

    I wish I had a dollar for every time someone has told me how dangerous these breeds are. Many years ago I was walking my Dobe when someone asked If they could pat my dog...I said yes and while patting her I said "Do you realise your patting a Dobermann" the person pulled their hand away in a flash in fear.

    At the vet some kids wanted to pat my Dobe...I said yes and while the kids were patting her I said to the parents..."Do you know your kids are patting a Dobermann" ? they pulled the kids back and said "But she's brown"...I rest my case.
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